The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

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Re: pancho,
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Tuesday, March 20 2012, 7:51:46 (UTC)
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Fareed wrote:
>If I may ask, what kind of proof would convince you that the Modern Assyrians are directly linked to the Ancient Assyrians?
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>Thank You.

...sure thing...happy to oblige. For an ethnic identity as old as the Assyrian I would say it would have to be of the same caliber as what other people, also from that era, have to show. And that would be if they had retained their original religion of Ashur and not changed to Jesus....or Muhammad....or Buddha.

...if a Jew loses faith in Yahweh, he is no longer a Jew....same for an Assyrian....same for a Christian. You can't be a Jew or a Christian is you give up on Yahweh or Jesus.

...now being Jewish is no longer strictly speaking an ethnicity because there has been too much scattering around the world and intermarrying...but if any MidEasterner could show that his family had never left off believing in Ashur, that would go a long way...although it's always possible that they were never ethnically Assyrian, even 3000 years ago...but it's much better than saying "Only Christians are true Assyrians" today.

..Language alone wouldn't do it because anyone can learn a language (just as anyone can adopt a religion), but even there the language we speak is not Assyrian but Aramaic..."we" gave up Akkadian long ago, which was the language of the ancient Assyrians...the language all their history and culture is recorded in, which no Nestorian or modern assyrian could read when the tablets and monuments were dug up, beginning in the 1840s.

The safest thing that can be said is that all of the people residing in the MidEast today are descended from ALL of the ancient people of that region, which includes Sumerians, Babylonians, Hurrians, Hittites, Amorites, Kassites, Assyrians AND Arabs, Turks, Qurds, Greeks, Persians etc and etc.....that religion has nothing to do with it and so forth. But to say that ONLY Christians today are descended from ONLY the Assyrians and everyone else "disappeared" is as silly as our claim that Assyriologists say that ALL Assyrians disappeared...of course they didn;t all disappear...they just forgot their native tongue and THEN disappeared, when they lost their identity by losing their history and real culture.

After all, didn;t your parents warn you not to forget "your mother tongue" (though they meant Aramaic) because "if you forget your language you forget who you are"? And it's true and in that sense, Assyrians "disappeared", because, like your parents warned you...they "forgot who they were when they forgot their mother tongue", Akkadian.

There can be no evidence for our claims....all such claims, from that far back, are shrouded in mist....as I said; the closest we can come is to say that ALL the people of that region are descended from ALL the people who ever lived there, and that therefore Christians have no claim to special treatment and are not "owed" anything, certainly not a part of Iraq, which belongs to ALL Iraqis....I'd support that.



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