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Re: something just struck me...
Posted by Jeffrey (Guest) - Monday, May 2 2011, 0:56:43 (UTC)
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Part of what you have said is mostly covered, and linked together, in "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn. He basically covers history, including wars, from the worker's perspective and includes details on the first labor unions, the internationalization of the labor movement, etc. Very interesting stuff...

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pancho wrote:
>..am reading a book about the invention of radio broadcasting, which coincided with WW II...about Edward R Murrow and the first radio commentators who came to be known as "Murrow's Boys", many of them names familiar to me through later teevee news shows...names like Howard K Smith and Charles Collingswood and Walter Cronkite. As the book tells their story of pioneering broadcast news, over radio first and teevee in the future, I think again about what was supposedly the last "great war"...or "good war". I never was comfortable with the notion that WW II HAD to be fought...maybe it did, but the necessity only existed because of WW I and what it did which made another war inevitable..and if WW I could have been easily avoided, and it could have been..and if it was nothing more glorious than the beginning of the hunt to monopolize world oil sources for the growing maw of industrialized greed...then maybe both wars, and the Cold War too with its hysteria over communism, were all a part of the same trend: the abject terror felt in corporate offices over the Labor Movement and Unions....and maybe it all ties in with the recent effort to quash unions and collective bargaining...maybe it was all one great big terror at the notion of socialized capitalism vs the cut-throat kind which seems to have won and is decimating the people of the United States.
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>Maybe you have to step out of history to get a better view of it.
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>Labor wasn't saying "no" to capitalism...by then workers needed the factories as much as factories needed them...it was just that they wanted a fair shake, a fair deal, and they got it for a while and that's where the middle class and prosperity came form...I mean you'd think it was a no-brainer, that bosses would realize that if they paid healthy salaries it would simply all come back to them in sales and purchases made by those flush workers, who were also the consumers this whole things depended on...you would think.
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>But they took another tack, they decided to first cut their costs, as a way of making greater profits, by using labor-saving machinery...when that wasn't enough they took their factories overseas, and when that still wasn't enough they engineered things like NFTA so that they wouldn't have to pay import and export duties, "free trade" they called id but it meant disaster for third world countries who lost native business clout but also allowed these bastards a whole new and foreign market to sell to, so maybe they didn't need to worry that Americans couldn't afford their products, but Mexicans and Chileans could....that and ever reduced wages and then no benefits meant that the buying class in America was getting ever smaller....in time these Capitalists, in order to maximize their profits, will impoverish EVERYONE, as the Banks are steadily doing,a nd there won't be anyone left to sell to, because no one will have the money to buy.
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>But that's okay because these same Capitalists, and Bankers, and all of them are getting into finance one way or another, are all gamblking on the Wall Street Casino anyway...no one is so out of it as to actually loan money to some smuck to start a dry cleaning business, or deli, and sit back and wait 20 years to make the interest on that loan...that's oh so YESTERDAY! Today you rather bet that money on a derivative, or junk bond, or a bet on a stock going down...or up, but not because you even care that some company whose stock rose ten cents will make you money...in ten years. But because you can BET on it now...and make, or lose, great big bunches of money...and when too much is lost, so what? Your pals at the Federal Reserve will just print more and you can go on gambling all night and day...while the dollar drops in value and the rest of us lose what little we have left.
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>WW I had nothing to do with ending all wars...and WW II wasn't a GOOD war that HAD to be fought and communism was nothing more than the Labor Union expanded and internationalized...these fuckers have been fighting the SAME fight since Pullman hired thugs to kill striking worker...and it's still the same oil that started this round decades ago.



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