The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

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that's easy....
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Saturday, March 17 2012, 9:11:40 (UTC)
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doozoota wrote:
>Thank you for your invitation and for posting my post here.

...any time.
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>as this is not something which requires the input of non-Assyrians nor am I interested in the opinion of non-Assyrians as this matter is an internal Assyrian matter I will not respond to your insults.

...seems to me you're going to need everything from non-Assyrians, as you needed a country to live in from where you can make these demands...half of you are begging Euros and Americans and the U.N. to "do something for us",,,,and the rest all live among non-assyrians...unless you plan on single-handedly defeating all Muslims, you're going to need EVERYTHING from non-assyrians.

...also, neither you nor I are "Assyrians"....we are some form of MidEast Christians, either Nestorian, Chaldean or Jacobite, Presbyterian etc. No one seriously believes we are actual Assyrians with any sort of claim to Iraq or much of anything else...while you and Aprim and Kakovitch and the rest of you amateurs write your own world history, a few actual scholars and historians, most notably Dr. John Joseph have shown where this idea that we are direct descendants of the ancient Assyrians really came from: it came from Europeans...you know? Just as we all know the pope invented Chaldeans...other missionaries invented Assyrians a little later....if anything ALL the people of Iraq and the MidEast are descended from ALL the ancients...but you all claim ONLY Christians are real assyrians today and ONLY assyrians survived...what happened to the Sumerians, the Hittites, the Kassites, the Amorites, the Hurrians, the Babylonians?...where did they all go to???...that is clearly impossible and absurd....there is direct evidence to show that this is a grand hoax....Christians could not demand a separate country for Christians...so they invented a "nation" for themselves...but no one over there is fooled, neither is anyone fooled anywhere else.
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>I wish to take this opportunity to thank you for opposing the idea with such animosity as it seems that you fear the results.

...fear? Oh come on! We aren't the ones banning and deleting...if we were afraid of the results, as you so quaintly put it, why would we allow you on, nay, BEG you to come on? We have been chased off of every assyrian forum till we had to start our own ten years ago,,,what in the name of all that's funny is there to be afraid of? I mean really...what is there to be AFRAID of?

...we were all raised with the same fairy tales you were...I was born in Iraq to a prominent "assyrian" family...my paternal grandfather is Dr Baba Parhad...you may have heard the name, he is credited along with Dr Freydoun Aturaya with writing the historical assyrian manifesto way back when...he fought alongside Agha Poutrous, along with my maternal great-uncle, Babajan Malik, who was personal bodyguard to Poutrous and followed him into exile in France...I am the sculptor who made the first Assyrian public monument anywhere in the world in the last 2500 years...that would be of Ashurbanipal, installed in San Francisco in 1988...plus several other Assyrian art pieces you can find at my art site, "faridparhadart.com"...I'm no "outsider"...I'm one of US...only I grew up, read some real books...thought a little and realized this has all been a cruel joke foisted onto us by the Euros for their own reasons...a lie we were were only too happy to believe...though it has brought us nothing but misery and loss.
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>Should the above analysis of your motive be wrong and you do not fear the results of the success of the "Solution" kindly answer one simple question "Why are you so angry at it"

...first of all because I like the truth for its own sake and not whatever can get me something. Also because this silly belief has caused us to take sides with western Christian nations who've taken turns attacking our homeland, making us believe they would "do something" for us, namely get us a "homeland", which they never had any intention of doing and don;t to this day...yet by cheering them on and even actively collaborating with them, such as the Levies, we have made enemies of our neighbors with whom we should have been in solidarity...we have called our betrayal "national work for our rights" and accused Iraq, for one, of "persecuting" us when the truth is that we were PROsecuted for breaking the law, for committing sedition which, in time of war, as today, is treason in every country on earth. This silly "hope" has caused us to be disliked and distrusted in the MidEast.

...you and others keep harping about how we have been massacred by Islam and how we were forced to convert on pain of death...let us now issue the same challenge to you we have to Beth-Shlimon, Aprim, BetBassoo and others who have come on here; show us ONE historical incident in which we were forced to convert to Islam or massacred by Muslims simply because we are Christians or, if you prefer, assyrians...just one, that's all. While you all read books of martyrs and listen to your priests and Aprim, real and actual historians, all of whom we have cited Christians, on top of that, have said the exact opposite: that Islam NEVER forced conversion...that is was Christians who did so...and that Muslims NEVER murdered Christians JUST for their religion...not for what they ARE but for what they have DONE...it's been four years that we've been issuing this challenge and not one person has brought one such incident...not one....from a REAL historian...not Fred Aprim. We will gladly wait four more years for you.

...this belief, this lie, has caused our people nothing but misery without giving them a single benefit. You will, of course, never succeed...but the trouble comes because you TRY, or rather talk a lot...this helps destabilize the conditions under which the few remaining members of our community living in Iraq must deal with...after all, imagine what African Americans living in Georgia and being exhorted by actual Africans to "rise up and demand Atlanta as your own state", would suffer at the hands of their white American neighbors?

...these "demands" you make to the wind are heard and read over there...and there are consequences. My "fight" is with that. It hardly matters if you think you are an Apache or an Assyrian to me.....what does matter to me is that people such as yourself, Aprim and the rest, have been the single greatest cause of suffering of our people in Iraq...not Muslims, not Islam, but those of you who keep blathering on and on about what you are "OWED" because of what you have "SUFFERED" and who appeal to the West to get "our national rights" That's my crusade, and hate has nothing to do with it...and certainly "FEAR" doesn't either.

...thank you for having at least enough guts to confront us directly...and if you could just give us that evidence we asked for we'd really appreciate it.



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