The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

=> where we pick up....

where we pick up....
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Monday, December 5 2011, 1:10:18 (UTC)
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in the case of the Nazis...they KNEW god was watching and they believed they were acting in ways pleasing to him.

More Christians than Jews died at the hands of the Nazis. What made them think that God would be pleased at what they were doing? You say the popes do not believe in the “pious crap they spout”. The Nazis did? To the Nazis, religion was nothing more than a propaganda tool. They didn't believe it either. Had they believed it, they wouldn't have done what they did.

the opposite of god is not is rational logic, enlightened self-interest or, best of all, the Golden Rule.

The opposite is not murder, but moral relativism. What forces me to obey the Golden Rule? Logic? Is it absolute? Is it compelling? What prevents me from poisoning a relative to inherit his money? Enlightened self-interest? Am I going to behave like Woody Allen in “Love and Death”? One his way to kill Napoleon, he paused and hesitated as he pondered the consequences of his actions on society, contemplated Socrates, lawlessness and its effect on property prices...

This fellow begins by accepting that there is or should be or must be a God. Well, the burden of proof is still on him to show he exists

I don't think he did that. In his book, he tries to show that through science we can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God. Here he is arguing in favor of a theistic society. The existence of God is a separate argument.

we should not be fashioning a moral absolute which is then supposed to rule us

But you have already suggested a moral absolute, the same one mentioned in the bible: “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise” - Luke 6:31. You call it “The Golden Rule” - Pancho 9:42.

God has had it his way for 10,000 years and has mucked up the waters, poisoned the jury pool, so to speak

Which God? You said Islam never did this and that. So the problem here is not our belief in God, in the general concept of creator, or an overseeing deity, but rather the details of a particular religion.


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