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Re: Andy TV re-runs
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Saturday, December 13 2003, 21:58:47 (EST)
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Andy Younan wrote:
>Farid,
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>>never hope to see beyond. The mind I have, which can't balance a checkbook or figure out Calculus can't POSSIBLY know the unknowable. People, like yourself, who can't figure much of anything out here on earth, have somehow managed to measure the infinite. That's humility?
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>This is your first point, I think, summed up. Of course, if I believe I'd figured it all myself - or that anyone had - you'd be right. It'd be the height of arrogance. Of course, one can take no credit for being told something - the Jews are "God's people" in the Bible only because he chose them - the brattiest of his children - and not because they earned it. There's no reason to even bring humility and arrogance into the question.

+++Just what do you think you just said? Is it better to develop our own foolishness or fall for that of Jew fishermen of 2000 years ago? You tell me.
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>>But all this stuff aside
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>I'll agree to that...as I said, we've been down the "believability" argument enough to know that t'other ain't gonna be convinced neither way. The real question, the interesting question, is "does Christianity cause immorality?"

++++And that is tied directly to the "other" point...th believeability. If you believe something as patently absurd as your Christian folklore...you're that much closer to committing acts of great indecency and immorality. Standing from where you are now even you can look back five hundred, 100 or a thousand years and shake your head at what Christianity did to people...good decent people who tried to pass up this fucking gift of death you've been killing people over. By today...after 2000 years of this crap..you've got it worked in to the fabric of edcation and policy...like a policy that allows us all to kill 500,000 children...damn your hide...children...and turn to you so we can sleep better and go out and do it again. All you can think is..."this is perfect love but sometimes a fewmillion get it wrong." They didn't get it wrng...THAT'S the message.
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>>there's the question of the institution you belong to...holy roly poly mother church. It could be argued that a good man or woman will be corrupted by a corrupt institution where he or she might not be corrupted by Life.
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>True enough. No one needs the Church in order to be bad.

+++You're missing the point...people have been good and bad before..what your church has figured out is a mechanism by which people can be as badas they damn well please and get absolution anyway and get into heaven and even convincethemselves they're doing god's work. Okay so maybe you aren't personally THAT looney...but you're not looking at hat's in your message hat allows the worst to come out in people...far more than at any other time in history. You're up there with the elite...these born again sons of bitches are your brood from hell and all you can tell me is that they "got it wrong" and you want nothing to do with them. You don't see how you armed them and cocked them and pointed them at the rest of us...even at yourselves...like the Assyrians who won't admit they paid for the bombs that fell on Majdolin...the pilots made a "mistake"...they got thjeir mission "wrong"...Bush "underestimated" things...Powell "thought" there were WMD's..."so sorry". How long can you maintain su8ch a blindspot and still think you're made up of Jesus Christ? Maybe you should eat some more people.

There was plenty bad before it...and before the Jews...and there's plenty of bad that those who reject Christianity have done - but I don't need you to explain them.

+++No...a guy who had five dead Jew fishermen explaining things to him needs nothing from me...I always lie.
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>> If you worked for a pharmaceutical company that made a medicine that cured a million people but killed 10,000 out of every million, you'd be put out of business by the government, if not in jail. There'd be no way you could argue..."Just step back from the dead ones hanging from the roof and see the good we do for thousands of people...stop focusing on the dead ones". You can't get away with that kind of crap anywhere but in your trade.
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>The question is whether the dead ones were killed by the drug or the virus it was made to destroy.

+++That isn't the question at all. I asked the question...I know what I was asking. That's pure dodge again. I SAID the medicine killed them...even though it SAVED all the rest...obviously therefore the variable is the medicine...or your head. Answer the friggin question and stop watching TV.
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>>Besides that...how would you feel about it personally? You've already said, as you guys all do, that this one isn't a "real" Christian and that one "got it wrong" and the other one is "fooling people" or hiding behind religion and those ten million were "misguided" etc. There comes a time when you add up
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>up a little". You people NEVER control yourselves. You, personally, might...though it costs you a good deal...but that isn't what makes your church the biggest corporation in history and damn well the bloodiest entity the earth has ever seen. And DON'T tell me about the "good" the church does. Vegas casinos give out more wealth, as a percentage of the gate, than the church does.
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>Give me a break, Farid. "You people NEVER control yourselves." "the bloodiest entity the earth has ever seen." "ten million misguided." What the hell are you talking about?

+++I'm talking about all the children your priests fuck...at both ends. Yes..other people fuck children too, but they don't have busses deliver them to a rectory...they have to hide in alleyways. I'm talking about the hiding of crimminal priests and moving them around to where there are fresh children to fuck and then "retiring" them to other parishes where they can fuck some more. Lots of people molest children but no institution on earth has ever treated grown men like they were infants...ordering them around and telling them what o think, do and wear...making them so fucking infantile and undeveloped they equate power over children with sex. I'm talking about a church that's been socking away money for at least 1500 years that threatens to go bankrupt rather than pay the victims a pittance for having heir assholes stretched and their psyches blighted...I'm talking about the obscenity of hounding poor women who are being abused by husbands and boyfriends...who have no church rectories to go to...whom you damn to hell if they seek abortions...because you value human life so...I'm talking about the bombs you bless as all you Christians kill each other and everyone else you feel like and I'm talking about you mixing love and murder into a potion that has the United States of Christian America sleeping well and feeling no pain while it murders innocents...some MORE innocents like HE was..and does it all and tolerates it all and looks forward to it all because there are GOODIES to be had. That's a little of what I'm talking about and I expect at least two sentences out of you for all that.

You're honestly willing to place ALL the blame for EVERYTHING that's ever been evil in Christian history, and give NONE of the credit for all that is good, on a single institution?

++We already settled hat goodness and kindness in all the shapes and forms you'd car to mention were all around long before Christianity. You guys didn't invent any of it...didn't bring any of it to earth. Instead you've put it to work, paid lip service o it while you worked away at what you REALLY invented...murder as a sign of love...human sacrifice as proof of love...symbollic cannibalism as a sign of love. You haven't done a single good thing in all this time..name one....name one that is exclusive to Christianity...just one.

And how? "The good ones would have been good anyway." Maybe you should ask them - that's right, ask any given Christian whether his or her faith makes a positive effect on his or her life.

+++Might as well ask a successful Nazi if he likes what the Party has done for him. Of course believing Christians will tell you it's been great fun. IO meant good people...not good Christians. Good Christians aren't good people...good people are good people and they come in all shapes and sizes. A good Christian is simply one believes this Jew nonsense better than the next one. That's all..it has nothing to do with singing songs to children but more to do with starving to death a half million of them.

Then when they say "yes," you can enlighten them about themselves. Good luck.

+++I wouldn't bother to enligten a Christian. They can all go fuck themselves and then hang and eat each other. I only bother with you because it hurts to see one of us so degraded. But you can go get urinated too and then go piss on children.
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>>How long can a "moral man"...one who aspires to be "like Christ", go on serving such an institution and claiming the slime doesn't wash over him as well? You want to do good...do good. What insitution did Jesus join? Who's word did he take for anything? Did he believe Jew fishermen? You're following the example of those whom Jesus upset...not Jesus. You've attached yourself to an insitution and want to work from "within"...like trying to clean up la Cosa Nostra. You know...I know...the pope knows...we all know that Jesus would abhor your church and what's been done in his name and they'd kill him all over again.
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>The slime is there with or without the Church. The question is whether being a Christian makes one slimier...and if so, how.

+++No it's not. I'm talking about the specific slime the church brings and you can't tell me you guys think killing all those innocent people all those years was an act of goodness. The slime the chiurch brings with it is its own...it's the slime of using god...of hiding behind god to do your dirties. That's what your hurch is...of course they're going to hire a few choir boys like yourself to bring in the crowds.
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>>My point is, nobody "got it wrong" but you and a few others like you. The church that made Jesus up got it EXACTLY right. This is a religion born in murder and human sacrifice and you're recruited to come along to tell me it's already done...that it was a gift and I should have no qualms about accepting the guys liver and skin cause he's dead anyway so where's the harm? You're being used to CORRUPT people...not to save them but to save the church's ass. The "harm" is that your followers are primed and ready to see other inncoent people killed and to go out and kill them and your function is to bless the whole bloody thing and "absolve" those you are "troubled" in their souls so they can sleep better and go out and kill some more...as well as to lure young children into the fold to keep up a steady suppy of "wrong Christians" the church has depended on all it's corrupt life. Either that or you want to sing somewhere off in a corner and say..."who me...I don't belong to THAT part of the church".
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>What institution HASN'T ashamed itself by what its done at some point?

+++Other institutions don't use god...they don't use love...they don't fuck children as an institution and then aid and abet the fuckers to hide from thelaw and then hide their own assets to avoid providing therapy for the children they fucked.

Communism? DEMOCRACY? AMERICA??? Are you willing to throw every institution in the garbage because of the flaws that are inherent in EVERYTHING human beings touch?

+++I told you...what makes your church so particularly despicable is that it uses god and the soul and the spirit and the fear all children have of the dark and death and losing mommy and daddy and never seeing them...it uses this all to line its pockets and intrude into the lives of everyone else on the planet. No other institution actually comes out and says its leader is infallible and you're damned for eternity for not listening to his bullshit...or they'll kill you. Let me remind you that even up to these current scandals your church has NEVER once done the right thing unless it was caught redheanded and dragged against its will, kicking and screaming and stuffing assets under the mattress, into therapy or court or prison. Your church has been one of the bloodiest thorns in the side of Humanity and it's taken years and years of work to sort of civilize you bloody bastards...and still you're at it...sending this new evil spawn of yours, the Evangelicals, to torment us all over again.
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>>These crimes against us all are being committed by people who share your faith..people who look forward to the same heaven you do.
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>So what? If you found out that Manson was a Green or liked Led Zeppelin, would you change yourself just because of him? Oh, I forgot...Zeppelin CAUSES people to murder.

+++You get silly when you have no other way out...it's better than turning murderous at least. It isn't one Manson...you people produce them by the basketful. Your message is deranged to begin with...and yes if I found out that something was fucking up ten out of 100 of my children...I'd care for those ten even more because I could see that I was doing was hurting them more than the rest..I wouldn't disown them...I'm their parent after all.
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>I see there's other thingys to reply to. See you there.

+++I go to hand it to you...you may be dumb, but you don't know it at least. And please forgive Andreas...we keep him around but as you can see he isn't housebroken yet.


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>Your tv pal,
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>Andy



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