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Re: Getting It Right...Or Wrong...But...
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Wednesday, December 17 2003, 14:11:15 (EST)
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Andy Younan wrote:
>Farid,
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>>it"...they really got it! Youīre living in houses with cars in the driveway and clothes and food all paid for by the Imperial Roman Christians..not those other kinds you like to put on the flyers. Those "real" kinds would have gotten killed like Jesus. The other ones pay your fare fella...and they get their money from all the WRONG Christians in all the WRONG ways imagineable and give you a pittance so youīll pray for their grteasy souls...
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>Farid not. It's the sweet old ladies and the volunteer workers and the quiet folks that live peacefully and never make it into your history books that keep the Church together

***Oh come ON! You might as well tell me Jesus built St Peter`s...REALLY!

- the people for whom the Church has made a difference (at least if you ask them; you might know better) - by giving their five bucks a week. That's how the Cathedrals were built - by good people giving a rock here and a pound of sand there to help make something beautiful.

***It cost a helluva lot more than a rock and five bucks to build those palaces...there you go with euphimisms again..."Cathedral"...like the building fools any but the fools who skimped their lives away to build it. You are one ignorant fellow...naturally you WOULD go into the "morality" racket.

***In Adelita`s village the church where a dead body hangs and the building ext door that houses the undertaker who tends this "shrine" is the biggest building in the village. A palace for a corpse...more "love" I suppose.

The "other ones" couldn't give a damn one way or the other - or a dollar - and that's fine by me. Then again, you might be right - there might be a huge conspiracy that only people who haven't been inside a Church in fifty years can see, and that those on the inside can't because they're too busy sorting nickels tossed into baskets by machinists and cashiers.

***I get goose-bumpy all over...almost in tears. Man were you sold a bill of goods. It`s as if you founf Jesus on Staurday mornings watching cartoons.
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>>***Oh cut it out! Save this stuff for children. These other institutions donīt hide behind god...they donīt use heaven and an eternity to frighten or tempt people with.
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>What? The only point there was that Christianity can be and has been abused like every other good thing.

***It isn`t "like" any othert thing...remember? That`s what you say with half of your mouth. Christianity IS...IS...IS "Abuse". It started with abuse...which you`ve turned into "love"...and it hums along by abusing people...children especially...fucking their minds as it not so symbollically fucks their other end. Pennies from mechanics built the largest corporation on earth? really?
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>>because "holy" makes boring reading. Who do you think started the anti-slavery movement in the Americas anyway?
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>>***The same people who profited from it and preached that it was no sin...your church. Some things are even too blatant for you people to endure...but you were NEVER first in line in any way shape or form. There are enough decent people in the church...I said, thatīs what youīre for...there are enough to provide the cover for the rest...they do the dirty work while you drive the getaway car...nothing surprising there.
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>How many "decent people in the Church" do you have to meet before you realize that they're NOT the exception - that THEY are the real Christians?

***Decent people don`t GO TO CHURCH...Decent people don`t confuse love with sacrifice and suffering...Decent people don`t worship at the foot of a corpse...Decent people need no incentive to BE decent!

Do you really think that your interactions with Assrearian millionaires and your reading of Christian wars are representative of the whole shebang?

***Oh...now we`re getting to below my belt...which is gonna hurt me more than you cause I got something there...as well as between my ears. What millionaies are you refering to? Can you NEVER go all the way...is it "thikus interptus" every time? The whole shebang is staring us all in the face...made more clear by how carefully you steer clear of any mention of your direct responsibility for these fucking Evangelicals your church let loose on the rest of us. Nothing can be clearer than that a religion of death and love and a one and only madman for a god who insists on the nurder of his own "beloved"...is just about all the tinder you`d have to give a human bean up to his ears in gasoline already.
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>>the world? What the hell kind of poison makes you BETTER the MORE you take of it?
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>>***It isnīt better when you do it for an incredible, unheard of reward or to avoid an horrendously sadistic punishment. Itīs love when you do it because it needs doing..
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>Not the point I'm making. You say that Christianity by its nature makes people bad.

***No no...it makes them Christian...the bad comes after that...and that`s when you wash your hands.

I'm pointing out that all your "exceptions" and "PR people" are the ones who take their faith MORE seriously than your "real" Christians. Again: What the hell kind of poison makes you BETTER the MORE you take of it?

***Ain`t better at all. Being like you...thinking like you, is a tragedy.
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>As for love and doing things for reward or punishment vs. doing them "because it needs doing..." I'll take a bit from Aristotle, if you don't mind - he did, after all, believe in one God.

***Keep your god. His notion of what a god could be was galaxies away from the thing you use to frighten and cajole people with...another Jesuit gambit gone wrong.

The ideal for anyone is to do good things just because you're a good person and it's the natural way you act - you don't deliberate about stopping at a red light or giving a burger to a homeless guy: you just do it. Not everyone is at that level, however - Christians and others alike.

***Thank you...and they`re never going to get that way as long as you keep rushing in with heaven and hell before their minds can develop. Doing good "makes sense"...that`s why you people don`t appeal to the sense...to the senses...to the mind. You rush in there quick and screw the pooch...then when the person is babbling, you step in with your miracles and heavens and the rest of your "gifts" from an abbatoire.

Some people, because of their upbringing or whatever else, have to deliberate about good actions - they ask "Why SHOULD I give anything to that bum? He's healthy enough to work and blah blah blah." Because Christ came to save sinners, he has an answer: "Because I said so, and I'm God."

***Up yours...and your god`s too. Who the fuck do you think you`re talking to? Get the pacifier out of your mouth when you speak to me at least. people are born not knowing that fire burns too. Your approach is to burn them quick so they`ll "learn". Jeez...you have the nerve to call on anyone BUT Popeye to make your "points". No wonder Andreas is in pig heaven.

The promise of heaven and the threat of hell - which I believe are real, obviously - are the first kick in the pants for the selfish bastards whom Christ came to save.

***Oh...so they`re bastards are they? Where`d that love for everybody go to?
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>Your tv pal,
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>Andy



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