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Re: confusing dead meat with wafers
Posted by Farid (Moderator) - Tuesday, December 16 2003, 10:59:24 (EST)
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Andy Younan wrote:
>Farid,
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>>Never mind the god of the universe...if I was walking by Rockefeller Plaza in Manhattan one day and on crossing the street found myself in the path of a speeding taxi cab filled with Sin, all the seven deadly ones to be exact...and at that very moment, the president and CEO of Atlantic Records came flying down from the suite of offices he maintains and threw himself in front of the taxi and got killed "for me"...I don't know about you but I'd be "humbled" at how much I was worth. Only that ain't humility. I'd walk away with a renewed spring in my step, pleased beyod measure that I was worth it...that a common ordinary person didn't see my value enough to throw him or herself in front of the cab...that it took a very busy and otherwise important man to see how important I AM...so much so that sacrifing his life for me was his pleasure.
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>That's certainly part of it...good point. But we've gone over all of this before. That God has shown such unrequired and abundant love to the world DOES put a spring in the step.

:::Yeah right. And Hitler and Bush are real nice to "their" followers. You´re farther gone than I´d imagined. If God would lay off of us now and then we´d have a chance.

Why shouldn't it? What's wrong with feeling loved?

***Because in your version, feeling loved...really loved, PERFECTLY loved, comes at the end of a rope or a cross or a machine gun or a helicopter gunship. You just can´t love unless someone gets killed first...and tortured into the bargain...never mind humiliated and yes maybe even raped...I´m sure Jesus had a nice pearly bottom...as nice as any altar boy´s.

More importantly, how does that make ANYONE a bad person? Who turns out crueller: the kids whose parents spent time with in teaching and example - the ones made to feel important in their parents' lives - or those abandoned or ignored? Don't tell me you never heard of "Generation X."

***Geez...no wonder you read and spout Greeks. On your own you´re about as deeply dense as Andreas. I refer to human love...remember? You go for the godly kind. Parents don´t show perfect love for children by dying for them. To go looking for death the way you claim Jesus did is just this side of suicide...like people do when they agitate cops on purpose...sort of force the cops to kill them. A parent isn´t sacrificing when he or she sits up nights with a sick child...it´s called a part of loving...and you don´t show it best by leaving the kid an orphan. It´s your reponsibility to wear a seat belt and take all precautions necessary to make sure you´re around...not go off in a blaze of suicidal glory.

The world hasn´t improved appreciably since that guy was murdered "For You"...in fact making such a claim and accepting the goodies shows it´s pretty much the same dismal place it was back when your Hebrew forbears were slitting the throats of their "dear" firstborn children to insure a good crop or impress their sheepshit god you all admire so much. That´s where this revolting obsession came from. Kill the thing dearest to you...the cleanest, purist and especiall MOST innocent and LEAST deserving of it to show god how terribly sincere you are in your belief in him and his ability also to sit up and take notice when you murder an innocent child or young man or 500,000 children.

You´re so steeped in the glory and ecstatsy that comes with half-naked bodies being whipped and tied up and their flesh pierced and flogged and whipped...ypou get wet all over and call that holy. The thing is as sick as it can be and to prove it you call all this nonsense Love. Well, that´s about what a man like you understands of love. I´m sure you´ve had two awful experiences with women and one downright hilarious one and ran right back to the holy arms of your rectory where your rectum is being kept on ice...and you´ll not think twice about counseling women and men on relationships...why should you utter ignorance stop you there...it doesn´t phase you anywhere else.
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>And YES, we are children compared to God who created us.

***He´s the fucking brat with the temper tantrums. What kind of a human demands his son be killed besides a Hebrew human of the lowest sort and at that a Hebrew of 2000 years ago...and his "god" as well? Who kills the unoffending children of parents because of the sins of the parents? You play these silly games of trying to separate Jesus from his father Yahwe...the blooiest barbarian to ever occupy a heaven, with this "two for one except it´s three also"...and there again it´s just a test to see how many illiterate and idiotic assholes you can pick up to add to your collection. I mean REALLY!
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>Humility isn't about self-degradation. It's about knowing yourself fully - good points and bad, worth and worthlessness, beloved creature of God's image and sinner begging for grace.

***You know jackshit about who you are. You´re so pleased withyourself for buying this crap uncrittically, like again not having a mind to speak of is another indication of "pure love". I´m a lot closer to Jesus than you´ll ever get....you damfool.
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>Your tv pal,
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>Andy



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