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Re: okay...have at you
Posted by Andy Younan (Guest) jonah2164@yahoo.com - Saturday, December 13 2003, 1:49:49 (EST)
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Farid,

>***I understand all that. A cannibal is as good at explaining his beliefs too. What I want to know is if you suspect there创s some reason why it创s necessary to trun things into flesh and blood and then eat them. Can创t your Jesus be seen and felt in a flower? Or would you guys then go rip up flower beds and eat those too?

Good question. It isn't about just seeing and feeling. It's about living in Christ, and the best way, it seems - the humblest way - for Christ, God made man, to make himself accessible to the world is through the Eucharist.

>***Cannibals feel as you do. They too consume the felsh and organs and dripping blood of people who创s virtures they would aspire to...they too believe a man创s soul in his guts and chow down in order to "improve" the world and themselves...they too believe "he lives in me and I in him and the next guy who创ll eat me" You don创t see anything odd bout this, neither does the Cannibal priest.

I'll admit it's odd, but we're talking about whether it's immoral - or leads to immorality. I eat the flesh and blood of God made man; in that act, I unite my will to his as he chose to die on the Cross. The whole idea (at least according to the Bible, but you might know better) is this: Christ is in heaven, and got there through the love he showed in dying for the world; if I want to get to heaven, I have to live like him and in him - and one way to live in him is through the Eucharist. What do you think all of that "the Church is the body of Christ" stuff is about?

> That makes all the difference in the world. If he were only a man, then you'd be absolutely right - the Mass would be a horrible ritual recalling murder and celebrating cannibalism.
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>***But he was MADE into flesh...remember? Where{s the pain and agony factor for you to weep all over if he was a god? How do you pierce the flesh of a god? He was turned into a man for the occasion of his murder...just to make sure he创d FEEL YOUR PAIN.

No no no. God was "turned into a man" so that we could know him more perfectly, and so that he could show us visibly "the Way" to heaven, which he is.

>***Would you have refused to accxept the gift that came from murder? Would you have said..."can you get me a box of chocolates or Paradise some other way? In other words...have you moral compass at all where you创re personal benefit is at stake? Would you pass up eternity to do the right thing...would you refuse the gift of heaven at such a price?

Again, it isn't the murder that buys anything; it's the love of Christ and his choice to follow it through to the end.

>***You创re the one not paying attention. It doesn创t matter WHAT filth is committed in it创s name..as long as you benefit. That创s what your church teaches you. Name one atrocity that was put down by reference to this church of yours..and then tewll me one atrocity it didn创t commit.

What institution ANYWHERE hasn't committed every atrocity imaginable? Is the Church an exception? Oh, I forgot, "It's the worst thing EVER...and I know because I've read all about it in my books."

>>Not what the Church believes...we're still talking about the Christian faith, right?
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>***Yes...but more about how an otherwise decent person could not only become so corrupted by Jew nonsense, but stroke himself all over cause now he创s gonna spread more of this manure? We创re talkjing about what创s left of your soul and trying to save it before you piss it all away.

You're not going to "save" anyone by misrepresenting their faith. There's not a Christian alive who takes his or her faith seriously who'd read what you're writing and think "yes, this is what I believe." But then, you MUST know better than they do, because you're not afraid of death...

>>"Jesus died for me...and so can YOU!"
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>***You创re getting close...but then again...what about Heaven?...so never mind. Just like you创ll take all the benefits that came from killing 500,000 Iraqi children...though you will "agonize" over it as you fill up at the pump so you can go out and show the world hopw to live as Jesus did. This ISN创T arrogance?

Honestly, Farid, what world leader has made more of a fuss over the Sanctions and the War than the Pope? Name one.

>***That创s blasphemy if I ever heard it. God was made in YOUR image...anything other than that is scarilege. Your god isn创t a god of love at all..that创s your adverty for it...what are you gonna do, tell the truth? That your god has condoned murder from the day he was born, even up to and including his own sons. He pulled back with Ishmael and what创s-his-name but got his wish finally with Jesus. You call that love?

Same mistake as before. Jesus IS God. And yes, that's what I call love.

Your tv pal,

Andy



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