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...the usual..if you disagree with him you`re a loser and an attacker. His notion of attack has nothing to do with attacking Iraq illegally..from which he still thinks he`s going to benefit...to him an attack is when you question him, I`ve sat with him..I`ve eaten with him...I`ve tried to make sense of him. He reminds me most of what I guess Richard Nixon was like..he is terribly paranoid..convinced there are enemies lurking everywhere trying to thwart his best efforts..he, like so many of them, fob off their personal inadequacies onto nefarious "others" in front of whom they dare not tell "all"...that way when you say, "Huh"?..he says..."I can`t tell you everything because of enemies".

The last time he came this close to tears he posted an hysterical farewell...told us all we didn`t appreciate or deserve him, which I found to be the most honest thing he`s ever said...and to teach us all a lesson, he went away for a year...visited Syria or some such thing..from where he came back re-invigorated and plunged right in confusing himself at the old stand. testy little bugger.

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CLARIFICATION

Posted By: Fred Aprim (195.san-jose-14rh15rt.ca.dial-access.att.net)
Date: Thursday, 3 June 2004, at 8:56 p.m.

Clarification

Certain individuals posting here have been questioning what they call a "silence" of Assyrian media groups, political organizations, and activists towards what is happening in Iraq. Therefore, I thought, as an activist, that it would be appropriate to clarify few issues.

...you are no activist..you are no Assyrian..you can`t produce a single document that says you`re an Assyrian...you SAY you are...and talkingalot passes for activism and passes for Assyrianism..shows you what you know about Assyrians.

...as to the silence..it`s deafening...or you wouldn`t come on here now trying to convince us there isn`t any silence. ADM never posted...that`s not what people are refering to...they just mean that the usual bombastic diclarations and demandses and prooves are gone now...and it isn`t because so much is going on that is positive..as you spin it...you`re mererly taken in by more WORDS...there is a silence because there`s a dawning sense that we got the shaft again..which will always happen when we side with those attacking BetNahrain..as you did and still do..you and Kanna and the rest you boys. People are merely biding their time..of COURSE they`re going to give you seats...you had seats before and STILL you cry about lost villages...they won`t do a thing to you till the Americans leave...watch.

It is strange to read about the so-called "silence" that these individuals are claiming. Recently (about a month ago), Raabi Yonadam Kanna, then member of the still active Iraqi Governing Council and the ADM Secretary General, was in the United States. He appeared on Satellite Ashur TV to explain things. He met with our people in Chicago, Detroit, Phoenix, Los Angeles, San Jose, and Modesto to address the recent events.

...we`ve heard all that before...you boys don`t fool anyone..because you`re able to build triangles and enclaves and villages out of thin air, doesn`t mean the rest of them are going to make a down payment. There are ALWAYS Asstians meeting and having rallies and they ALWAYS talk and talk and talk...nothing new there. You "activists" who deal in words just get hard and then wet all over at the chance to hear even MORE words.

These days, Mr. Toma Khoshaba, who occupied the Chaldo-Assyrian chair on the dissolved Iraqi Governing Council when Raabi Kanna was not present, is visiting the Diaspora Assyrians to explain what is going on in Iraq and where our people stand. How could we call this repeated exposure of ADM officials a "silence" by the ADM?

...easy. They are repeating the same things they always have...after while the same noise might as well be no noise, except that it irritates..and that´s what Kanna does...your ADM and its "officials" reprresent no one but themselves..a handful of out of work engineers looking for contracts to rebuild Iraq from Halliburton...that`s all.

The ADM officials state that much has been accomplished; however, they admit that there is much more that needs to be done.

...Bush must have written that line for them...

The ADM officials speak positively about the temporary constitution (Iraq Fundamental Law) and the placement of Assyrians (Chaldo-Assyrians) in the newly interim Iraqi Cabinet that will run Iraq's affairs until January 2005. Today, we have one minister (Pascale Esho Warda, an ADM member) and we had earlier three deputy ministers. We were assigned a representation of 4% in the Iraqi Governing Council (1 out of 25) and that percentage remains in the Iraqi Cabinet. Furthermore, the Iraqi Fundamental Law (Temporary Constitution) recognized the Chaldo-Assyrians and guaranteed their administrative, political, and cultural rights for the first time in Iraq's history.

...there could be 100 Asstians on the council and they still wouldn`t run anything. I always said you boys' idea of democracy was when you get to be the tyrants...and your idea of "governing" is to be the next puppets on America`s string...Saddam held that "honorable" position once...and now you do.

For many, it was not perfect. How can we work together to make it perfect? Is it by attacking our people in Iraq?

....what do you call an attack? Does killing 500,000 Assyrian children not count as an attack to you? Does bombing Iraq for 13 years of Sanctions, and two wars not count as an attack to you? Because these are tangible ACTUAL events they don`t register on your radar..but WORDS, this time "attacking" ADM..THAT gets to you"! What you call attacks are what we call democracy in action..not selective tyranny, which is what you want imposed on Iraq and on these thingies..as in when you go crying behind our backs to the moderators that if they allow freedom of expression, then you`re going to leave.

Now that the Iraqi Governing Council is dissolved, Raabi Kanna will become part of a special committee. This special committee will organize in July 2004 a national conference to select the Iraqi Interim National Assembly (majlis watani mu'aqqat).

...Saddam had special committees too...and the minute they did what the United States didn`t want, there was war...you think you boys are going to be any different? ESPECIALLY the ones appointed by the United States while it`s still there killing and fucking Iraqis?

The special committee will comprise from those Iraqi Governing Council who were not assigned ministerial positions in addition to certain politicians and representatives from the various regions and groups of Iraq.

...in other words superflous ex-people who have to be rewarded.

The Interim Iraqi National Assembly will be comprised of around (100) people, and Mr. Kanna, and the other members of the Iraqi Governing Council who were not assigned ministerial positions, will be part of that interim national assembly.

...and they will be a rubber stamp for the United States..get over yourselves..every Quisling has his day..then he`s tossed on the ash can of history...what the fuck are you so thrilled with..the chance to become Historical AND hysterical garbage?

The newly established Interim Iraqi National Assembly shall oversee the activities of the Iraqi Cabinet; give advice and recommendations to the executive body (president, vice president, prime minister, and deputy prime ministers).

...then they`ll turn to the Americans and say, "Mother, may I"- Run along with you...you are an embarrassment..coming around here bragging about getting to be a part of the rape of Iraq!

The Assembly has the right to replace any of the executive body personnel if and when needed and question the actions of the prime minister and any minister in the cabinet.

...they haven`t the right to do anything the United States disaproves of..even though we were just treated to a farcical show of the administration being "beaten" over the selection to what turns out to be a purely meaningles post any way...maybe these things impress you...stuck as you are at home in San Jose...get out in the world a little more.

The assembly has the right to veto any decision by the executive body if two-thirds of the members of the assembly agreed on such step. The Interim Iraqi National Assembly will prepare for national elections in Iraq. Thus, a Permanent Iraqi National Assembly shall come to being, which will write Iraq's Permanent Constitution.

...no they won`t. Bremmer will write it.

The ADM's next efforts are geared towards the Assyrian self administration region in the Nineveh plain. This will only come after Permanent Iraqi National Assembly is voted in and the Permanent Constitution is being debated.

...you ain`t gonna get jackshit and you all know that. You can`t run a party in San Jose, the Iraqi Muslims are going to give you a part of their country to self-administer? You come around with Kool-Aid and popcorn..feed it to us like it`s nourishing and expect to be rewarded for it, then use that fact...this show of your great care and success...to try to hook us into believing there`ll be steak and potatoes the next time you come..bullshit...just try to clean up the mess you already made of things and get lost...stop threatening to leave to see how many people plead with you to remain..just GO already.

Therefore, there is an important task ahead of us. We can sit here, complain, and continue our attacks and accomplish nothing or learn how to be useful and productive.

...in a democracy, people have the right and obligation to speak out...you boys certainly did when you attacked the Iraqis, the Kurds and anyone else who displeased you...did you think the last 13 years in Iraq were NOT a crucial time? They certainly were to the parents who watched helplessly as a half million of their children died as part of an "acceptable policy" by the same people you now rely on for your meaningless achievements. Just as you won`t say everything for fear of enemies..Iraqis won`t divulge now what they have in store for you and your Kanna and the rest of the bums who sought a quick pay-off before leaving for Europe...the majority of your council aren`t even citizens of Iraq...they are all exiles brought back by the CIA to fool people...when the real Iraqis get the slightest chance..you`re going to see that you aren`t the only ones who "Never Forget"!!!

I personally analyze what is going on in Iraq and there is a lot of that, as we know, and I try then to write about my personal thoughts accordingly. I defend those whom in my humble opinion deserve to be defended. I am not going to support those dreamers who have no answer for what is going on daily basis in Iraq and who do not live the reality; still, they sit there and attack their fellow Assyrians.

...shove it...you supported the biggest attack of all against ALL Assyrians in Iraq. This is more Christian bullshit. You people are simply a Christian Phalangist "out of work Engineer" kind of movement. You do not represent Assyrians..you speak out on behalf of Christian contractors.

I will support those who prove to me (beyond cheap talk) that they are worthy of my support, through real steps that they take for the benefit of our people.

...then you are sadly misinformed. ADM and ZOWAA and Kanna and the rest of you boys worked for the dismemberment of Iraq and in the end you will have succeeded only in making more "martyrs"...and then you`ll cry to the United States, or some other benign power who`s shown an equal interest in the rights of downtrodden Darkies, to come SAVE you because you are Christians..."just like them".

The Assyrian Forum is not my employer; I am under no obligation whatsoever to answer to every "loser" and "trouble maker" who posts here.

...is that what people who disagree with you will be in your democratic Iraq...won through spilling the blood of its innocent people?

In fact, I am under no obligation to answer to anybody. I am a private person and not member of any political group. I, as a private person, am one Assyrian and my vote is equal to the vote of any other Assyrian out there; that is the simple reality.

...I always felt you should stick to simple realities...it`s something you almost grasp...at least.

I am not going to continue exposing myself to every ill-hearted loser and attacker who comes here and post anonymously under misleading names when he or she could be a fanatic Kurd or Arab, as the rest of the presumably Assyrian readers stand by.

...so...whoever diaagrees with you must be a "fanatic" Kurd or Arab...like no Assyrian could EVER find anything stupid in what you say...if they dare do that..then it`s "proof" that they can`t possibly be Assyrian..what a paranoid jungle you live in. And for god`s sake don`t go exposing yourself..the last time you got frisky we got busted French kissing in the toilet at the Greyhound bus depot in San Jose.

I do not need it; nobody needs that. I respect the freedom of speech, however, in this crucial times it is important that we know whom with we are dealing and communicating.

...Saddam said the same thing..every tyrant does. The "times" require this and that...usually the cessation of all laws that would stop a budding tyrant dead in his tracks. If this isn`t the time to ask questions and probe issues with the people claiming to be in the loop..then when is the right time...did you say "Never!"

I have suggested some time ago that it was vital that we make this forum a place for fruitful discussions and among real people.

...you got them already...real fruits.

This could have been done by obligating those interested to post here to register in order to participate in the discussions; however, that did not happen.

...isn`t freedom a messy thing?

We could do more damage by displaying our cards in front of everybody out there, including our enemies.

...you silly fools...you HAVE no enemies..no one is interested in being your enemies...why? What the hell do you have..what threat do you pose to anyone that would lead them to worry over what YOU might do to them? You trip up and insult and pull the rug out from under each other`s feet and swear someone else must have done it...same thing when you shoot your own foot off...you start looking for an enemy shooter, never seeing you had the gun in your hands all the time.

To Demand that the ADM exposes ALL its playing cards sounds illogical to me. They are telling us their basic plans and that is enough for me personally. You might disagree, that is your choice.

...ADM means nothing..it stands for nothing. It is a gaggle of self appointed opportunists...like all Asstian leaders are..who are angling for what they can get out of playing kiss-ass with Uncle Sam. Just because they have the biggest, juciest lips around doesn`t make the rest of us as excited as you seem to be.

I wish I knew more about what is going on, but I do not, unfortunately.

...Oh, Ferd...you don`t know how many times I`ve felt the same about you and your books from hell.

Still, I am not "silent" and my articles in ZINDA prove it. I am not going to attack the ADM so few out there who do not appreciate good efforts, or few out there who know one thing and that is being negative, or few out there who do nothing but attack others, or few out there who have accomplished nothing in life for Assyrians are pleased.

...I think you wanted to say something...?

I have decided few weeks back not to waste my time and energy with useless arguments on these discussion forums.

...you mean like this one?

Of course, I will visit these Assyrian forums in order to be aware of what is going on in our community and look for certain news.

...well that`s good to know.

Additionally, I will post if important or breaking news became available to me. However, this I will do only because I decided so, and not because I am obligated to. I answer before my conscious

...I think you meant to say you`re unconscious...

only and whether I decide to be "silent" or not is my private business and nobody else's.

...whoa there big fella...Kemo Sabe got burr under blanket...

Fred

...it must be hard..here you work up all this bullshit for a few years and damned if people aren`t taken in by it..in sufficient numbers to suit your masters. Of course you don`t get paid for this "work"...who has that kind of money to throw away these daze?

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