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Re: Absurd Fred!
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Tuesday, August 3 2004, 23:33:19 (CEST)
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Paul Younan wrote:
>>When there is no one to pay you and you have to use own money..when there is no precedent...no organization, no support system...when there is no expressed need, when people arenŠt asking you for it...when it hasnŠt been done for 2500, it takes an Assyrian to do it. It took Christians to STOP the next one.
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>No one to pay you except Helen Nimrod?

...you have to inspire people to part with their money. Even Coppola doesnŠt use his own money. If I have something to sell...and I use what would be the profit..or my salaray for an Assyrian Monument..then it is indeed my money. Is it your employers money sitting in your checking account?

Didn't she pay you for Shamiram?

...no. She donated her money so that I could avoid having to sell any more of my own sculpture because it was taking too long. I sold ninety thousand dollars worth of my sculpture to get as far as I did...but that took nine years and I was getting tired...she saved the day because she believed in my work...what stikes you so odd...does a worker never own his pay...does it remain his employers money forever after? Helen donated 120 thousand to finish it.

You were paid for it already.

...yes, I was.

You're just sore that most Assyrians don't give a damn about it.


...many do. What you are refering to are Christians and those punks like Aprim and jassim and you who are afraid of having the bar raised to where they cant reach. I am not sore..I am sorry for Helen and for two young girls I still can see and for all the children who would have benefitted..but it had to happen...we had to underline just what dire straits we re in..how we are being used by you and your church and pissant politicians to get a little glory to their rotten souls...Shumirum will rise one day and this delay will have made it all the sweeter...the actions of you Christains only made what we were saying more obvious..you have always shot yourselves in the head and blamed your children..always.

They can go to the Oriental Institute in Chicago anytime they please and see the *real* artwork the *real* ancient Assyrians created. Are you sore about that? That they didn't come roaring to your defense, or offense, against the good ole' Senator?

...not at all. I am sorry for the same children I was sorry for when I looked out on the earth and saw nothing to indicate we were alive and they could feel some pride alongside all the children whose parents have planted signals...like Kudurru of THEIT exostence. Once those relics we see today and cheris and are indeed original and far beyond anything I can yet make..were new and fresh...these monuments are a way of carrying on that tradition..not remaining safely dead so you can tell people you are an Assyrian...who tells the world we are dead and gone...not I.
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>You have no way of knowing you're an Assyrian, unless we are to believe your trapped gas bubble warm-and-fuzzy account at the museum. You admitted yourself that you could be descended from those sheep-herding Jews. What's Assyrian about you?

...I said it already. Had I not been Assyrian there would be no Ashurbanipal in San Francisco. You are Assyrian and you host idiots and half wits who are ready to ban Tiglath already...no one can ban Ashurbanipal..no one turned down the Shumirum but Christian apathy and fear delayed it...she will rise...and she will inspire other Assyrian children who will at least have something to look to...like I never had anything but your treacle.
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>>...there was no artistry at all in the monument itself...it was merely a modern rendition of some combined elements I chose from our past...there is nothing magnificent in the actual sculpture at all. There is some technical skill and a few aesthetic choices were made. But there IS something magnificent in the spirit behind it. Sure...had there been a competitoon and funding and place chosen and all the rest of it that goes into securing the best bits of puclic land in such cities as Chicago and San Francisco where NO money couold buy or rent them...then a Chinese...even a Christian could have done it.
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>There is plenty magnificent about it. You're a talented sculptor. I could never do it. You're just being modest.

...no I am not. I will BRAG all day about what I did that was really artictic..which was to bearthe hot fire enough into Assyrians, even though nthey are Christian, to get them to part with their cash but more importantly, to dare to dream and trust. The finest moment for us all over these 20 years in all the work I did was when three Assyrians paid in advance for a Hammurabi maquette I hadnt even designed in my head yet...and not a one of them was Chaldean or lived in Detroit..where the monument was to go...that level of trust, for us...was a monumenta achievement...it was sheer artistry at which I cant be matched. I got more money OUT OF the Assyrian community than was ever raised by ZOWAA from Assyrians...and I could have gone on. Your leadeshit has to PAY into the community. How many times have you tried to build a school or hospital or club and not been able to inspire confidence..or DELIVER.

Try it..you think it was an easy thing to do. Those three ASssyrians were the beginning of a foundation we could have built upon..and we will. No one said I had to run the entire race...but someone had to start...and that someone was me...and I sacred the shit out of all our Nimrods and Bejans and ZOWAAS because I CAN inspire people like they never could in a zillion years...there will be others...just as our people got tired building civilization for a time and had to take a long rest...we will be back...as soon as we shake you Jews from off our backs...and out of our heads.
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>I could care less about complimenting you. Fuck off, I don't care what you think. I tell it like it is. You make good work. Wish I could afford it. Not that your sorry ass would sell me one, I bet you're picky like that.

...sure I would...your children need to see something besides a Jew dangling from a tree. I do this for children everywhere...most of all our own...I would never hold their parents against them...I am very forgiving that way.
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>As with most artists, it's better to know the art than the creator. Definitely applies in your case.

..I agree. I love Rodin but he was a bastard to his son and Rose.
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>>...but with the landscape as bleak and dreary as it has been for centuries..with people having to be convinced every step of the way that the monument was important...with having to knock on peopleŠs heads who never bought a sculpture in their lives and convince them to...with having to get them to BELIEVE an Assyrian could do more than commit cultural suicide...with all the obstacles and ignorance and fear and prejudice to overcome...no one could have done it BUT an Assyrian. We always blazed trails...you fell into ditches along the way.
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>It was an impressive thing you did.

...I agree...but not the sculpture. I am not being modest...I mean it wasnt a piece of ORIGINAL work..it was an homage all the way...nothing wrong with it..what was impressive was believing I could do it..and what surprised the hell out of everybody was that I convinced OTHERS I could do it..starting with the toughestbastard youll ever meet...Narsai David...THAT was artistry....
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>>>How the hell are you so confident that you're an Assyrian? Don't give me that warm-fuzzy feeling you had at the museum crap, either. It could have been gas for all I know.
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>>...gas never produced a monument yet. I know...but I SHOW too.
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>>>How do you know?

..I SAID...by what I SHOW...by what I DO. I am not one you could say, " well he talks a good game but he isnŠt a REAL Asyrian." Obviously...I am.
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>>...you already know there is no answer to it...if I do the work, then I am the worker. ThatŠs enough for me.
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>But not enough to convince a kindergardener. You can "feel" all you want, you can "create" all you want, and you can continue to produce fine sculpture. But you have yet to convince me that you're in any way, shape or form an Assyrian because of any of that.

...an Assyrian doesnŠt have to prove it to a fellow Assyrian...what can I tell you. At the end of my life others can measure me for eternity...what the hell has it got to do with me?
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>Your definition of Assyrian is too slippery for me. Can't be that easy.

...who said it was easy. The Ashurbanipal took four years..the Shumirum took 13 and though they all tried to bruy me at the end..I manged to start a Hammutabi and put two years and 90 thousand into it...only I destroyed it myself..you wouldnt understand.

...There is no hard or easy...there is just what needs to be done..and this Heriteg needs a lot less Suicide By Christ and more Living Through Ashur...that was how we got where we did...had we followed that Jew god BEFORE Ashur we would all be you...and there would we be?



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