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Re: Christianity 101
Posted by Paul Younan (Guest) - Saturday, August 21 2004, 20:53:38 (CEST)
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>......I never said they did. Jesus did because he was following in the footsteps of our ancestors. When King Ashurnasirpal entered Nineveh during the Spring Equinox our people would gather by the side of the road and use evergreen palm trees to symbolise the ressuected God of fertility Tammuz who lived through the King during the ressurection holiday and New Year celebrations.

Right - and the Jerusalemites who are Akkadians did the same thing. See? It's not "copying" at all, it's not "lifting" at all, it's not "plagiarizing" at all. Akkadians do Akkadian things.

>.....What? Of course they're going to say that. If I had to pretend that I was a God I'd also write my memoirs and state that the Rockerfellers came to visit me when I was born and brought my gifts as well.

Then how do you explain the Church in Urmi? It's dated to the first century by all respected scholars and historians. The Magi came back and built a temple to Him which later became a Church of the East parish which still is functioning TODAY.

>.......They were the first Christians because they were forced to accept Christiantiy.

Forced by whom, Khizma? Roman soldiers who snuck across the Parthian Persian border and "raped" us into Christianity?

>..And in order to work Christianity adopted the majority of the ancient Mesopotamian religous beliefs, practices, customs and holidays.

Nope, it is heir to those traditions. It didn't adopt anything. It is a fulfillment of the types, of the symbolism.

>..And as Christians we still use Tammuz trees during the birth of Jesus (Tammuz) during the Xmas holiday and we still celebrate the resurrection of Tammuz and Ishtar during the Easter holiday.

Only in the west did they do that. The Church of the East never did that in Mazraa, Khouni, and you know that.

>.......The Jews didn't treat Jesus like he was the ressurected God Tammuz using his symbol the Tammuz tree becasue they had seen it from the Mayans.

Exactly, so now you agree with me that the Jews are Akkadians and would be naturally expected to have preserved some of the very same traditions of their forefathers the Akkadians?

Tammuz was a type, in a way....a symbol of the coming Meshikha. Meshikha is the real thing which the symbolism, the shadow, of Tammuz foretold.

He is our resurrection and our life, our renewel as the earth is renewed during the springtime. But with a much deeper meaning than simple nature. It's that deeper meaning that's important, for it is what was missing from the simple symbolism of Tammuz.

When the people were babes, they were given milk which is easier to digest. As time went on, God revealed even more of His plan to us the Akkadians (Babylonians, Assyrians and Hebrews). His plan came to fruition with the literal fulfillment of those ancient shadows in Mesopotamia.

It's not "copying" - it's "fulfillment." The Saviour of mankind is an Akkadian, the son of an Akkadian who is united to the Godhead in a mysterious incarnation for our salvation which Adam and Khawa (also in Beth-Nahrin) lost.

>......That's not the point. I'm showing you that Christianity has ripped off our ancient religion and resold it back to us with us as the big bad wolf.

No, it has not ripped off.

If it had ripped off, they would have erased the memory of Oraham coming from Mesopotamia. They give full credit to Mesopotamia - for they themselves are Mesopotamians just like you and I. They simply went to form a colony in Canaan - like your forefathers went to form a colony in Mazraa from Arbel. You do know us Mazarnaye are originally from Arbel, right?

>>(1) How did you arrive at the specific date when Meshikha was baptized by Yukhanan Mamdana?
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>.....Mostly common sense. It would have occurred during the hotest time of the year. There were others being baptised on that day, not just Jesus which indicates that it was a summer religous festival being conducted by the Jews.
>And since the practice had been going on for thousands of years before Christ it's easy to see that John the Baptist was following in the footsteps of our ancestors when he was splashing the waters of life onto Jesus(Tammuz) to ensure he would return and bring fertility to the land. This is a practice that we continue to celebrate to this very day. When I included it in the AAS calendar last year an Anglican priest brought a copy of the calendar and wanted to commend us for finally explaining the meaning of Noosardel, which means 'sprinkling water on the path of God (Tammuz).

Sorry Khouna, that's not scientific at all. If you make a claim you have to back it up with empirical scientific evidence. This is what Fred Aprim was criticizing your conclusions for. And I hate to say it because you're my relative, but I see it happening again here.

You're exact words were that Yukhanan Mamdana baptized Eshoa on the exact date of the equinox....There is no evidence for this claim except as you say "common sense."

I'm sure you realize that if you were to write such an article in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, your article would be rejected outright by the editors. I need more evidence - how do you know the exact date of Meshikha's baptism?

>.....Don't tell me your source on this is the Bible? Right?

And your source is what, Khizma? "Common sense" and "guesses" and "Estimates"?

I use written accounts, including the Bible, as historical evidence. This includes non-Christian sources like Josephus who lived at the time but was not a Christian.

>C'mon Paul what did you expect the Jewish writers to say? Every salesman states that their product is the best.

Are you actually implying that we categorically reject a written testimony simply because of the ethnic makeup of the authors?

Yet, at the same time, we are to categorically accept anything your ancestors wrote simply because of their ethnic makeup, common sense, estimates, etc?

I'm sorry Khizma, I consider and weigh all the evidence and remain a stronger Christian than ever before because of it. Your ancestors for 2,000 years have not been stupid, either. Nor were they "raped" into Christ by "Roman" soldiers....they lived in Beth-Nahrin which at the time they converted to Christianity (from Judaism) the area was controlled by Persia, not Rome. Persia could care less to force anyone into Christianity - they were Zoroastrians.

Your logic, and that of Parhad, does not make any sense.

>>The imagery and typology you see in Mesopotamia which point to the coming of Meshikha, a Mesopotamian Semites who spoke our language and looked like us, is just that. It was revealed to our ancestors that these things would happen in order to prepare them for the revelation of Meshikha.
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>.......Then how abput showing me one cuneiform tablet that specifically states that there shall come a Messiah and he shall make us renounce our pagan ways and we shall find the true path.

We never rejected our faith, but we grew in it and it grew into Meshikhayutha. Our faith was a simple prototype before, and we saw it's fulfillment in our brothers the Jew's mission on this earth - to bring forth the Saviour of mankind - the Aramaic-speaking Akkadian known to the west as "Jesus".

And the account was preserved in our own language and the Jews, our fellow Akkadian cousins, brought the word to us which we immediately recognized because of our exposure to the prototypes in ancient Mesopotamian typology.

That's the reason why Christianity was so readily adopted by our people, by your ancestors, who were not gullible idiots as Parhad is making them out to be.

>Now if you can find just one cuneiform tablet that validates the plagarised and untrustworthy Jewish Bible then I will return to Christianity.

Haymanutha is in libboukh khayee, there's nothing I can do or say to place it there. Don't place that burden on me. I have nothing to do with it - it's between you and your Creator what will happen and what will enter your mind and your heart.

>.......The truth shall set us free Paul.

Yes, indeed it will. And it has set the world free - the Truth which emanated from Beth-Nahrin in all directions of the world....starting with the Akkadian Oraham (the "Father of all Believers") and coming right back to those who never left the hope in those types.

-Paul



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