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Re: From The Beastmaster
Posted by Jeff (Guest) jeff@attoz.com - Friday, September 17 2004, 5:10:53 (CEST)
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Parhad wrote:
>During four years of knocking around these forums, creating our own...before that over 20 years of attending AANF slugfests, displaying sculptures, speaking at banquets etc...being physically threatened, almost arrested twice...making Assyrian monuments...making Assyrian sculptures and telling Christians to go take a flying leap...I think I`ve shown a willingness to "engage". Lord knows I`ve even repeated mysellf often enough every time a new jackass popped.
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>This is the first time that we`ve actually had any "oppostion" here...and it isn`t really what you`d call challenging opposition at that...but whatever the quality and quanitity...we`ve never shied away..indeed we`ve weathered all sorts of silly and vulgar attempts to chase us away...inculding vulgarity brought TO us...in all this time we haven`t denied anyone the right to be heard...to explain positions fully and asked only a minimum of consideration towards family..we aren`t Christians, after all...who would allow dead relatives to be slimed...nor would we ban and delete what we don`t like to hear.
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>If anything we demand MORE and certainly BETTER. It isn`t our fault this is all there is..for now. There will be more..many more and of much better capacity than any of us have. Assyrians of all descriptions are out there...it`s taken some dilligent effort to get them to go away and give it up..it will take that much more to bring them back...word will spread, as it has, slowly..one or two people at a time..people hearing of this place from a friend or relative...just as it`s been happening.
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>One thing I`ve learned is that you can tell quickly if the person you`re dealing with, especially if it`s a "loving" Christian, should waste much of your time, from what is, after all a rather limited intellect that believes in devils and angels and heavens and all the rest of it. Obviously, you`re not going to get too far if you seek open and free ranging exploration. I`m not afraid to look behind a closed door that might reveal I really wanted to have sex with my father...not afraid a bit. Nothing is off limits...and you`ll find in time that after you`ve swatted down the "faith" and therefore the intellect of a Christian or any other fanatic...you`re going to come against one scared puppy who`ll quickly turn mean and viscious and shitty himself all over the place...for my part at least, based on my experience with a bunch of them...I`ve come to that conclusion...you draw your own.
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>It`s been useful to engage them somewhat..if nothing else than to scratch the thin veneer of decency they all maintain and get underneath to all those excellent reasons they have to adopt a mask over what turns out to be a pretty ugly reality.
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>But only so far. Beyond that point..there is no point. How many times do I have to be told someone has the proof...but I should go get it myself? It`s useful to show them up...but to take them seriously is asking too much. PauD...Andy before him, dean...severl others all gave it a shot and walked away fast...Paul`s near life-changing transformation from devout and sweet Christian to a cussing, hissing parody of what he thinks "impressed" Tiglath and then Tony as well..only shows his own panic driven lusting for heroes to worship...he`s furious that his hero..yahwe, lost a promising flunkie in Tiglath. This has unsettled him mightily and makes him don his armor and insist on running full tilt into a wall over and over again...in his mad fixation to prove to Tiglath, first of all, that I am "just like the rest"..when he`s merely shown how different this place is...giving Tiglath or anyone else, a good display of what it is that makes it different because of the number of times and with the amount of insults he`s hurled at us INSISTINNG we are "intolerant"...only to be brought up short by the realization that he`s succeeded in showing how badly they all lie..for if we were at all like Christians..we would have banned them long ago, and all the rest of it.
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>How many times can you shout in my face..."You don`t let me shout in your face ONCE"!!! I mean...come on.
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>A measure of how goofy he`s gotten comes from how often he keeps insisting we are INTOLERANT. What he`s really reacting to is how TOLERANT we are...he thinks of tolerance as someone giving in...someone "honest" is he or she who "admits" Paul`s divine truths. If you refuse to be impressed and rather keep your own..you are "intolerant"...meaning you won`t "tolerate" him to change you and your beliefs (which is EXACTLY what his Church came across whenever they tried to "impress" someone...it didn`t work either). This is a weird definition they get from Hanna. To be tolerant means to ALLOW for differences. It doesn`t mean you scuttle your own beliefs when a Jew comes by.
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>We tolerate what they won`t. We don`t expect anyone to change their mind because of what we say..we just want to be heard. Is it my fault I have an Assyrian`s passion for MY heritage? Is it my fault that I can be moved to eloquence and deft language skills because Ashur inspires me? I have no idea why or from where I got the notion to sculpt. I didn`t study it anywhere...I spent all of one day in art class and was thrown out of art class in high school...cause I wouldn`t make art the I was "supposed to"...just like our ancestors who never did what THEY were supposed to do...or nothing would have changed and there would have been no BetNahrain.
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>If what Ashur inspires in me has in turn worked through me to inspire and move other`s...is this a fault of mine? Apparently, to Paul, it is. It is MY fault that Tiglath is Tiglath..that he too turned out to be "fluid"..meaning he went from the fifth grade to the sixth..whereas the moral Christian thing to do, as we see in Paul..is to have remained wedded to your fifth grade beliefs forever.
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>Why should what I write about Ashur, as a result of my inspiration by his example and wishes for his people, be any less a valid expression of "me" than my sculpture? Why do the sculptures merit any praise, but the ideas about BEING Assyrian be an "enenmy" to the Heritage? I never studied writing either. I didn`t study anything..hell all my life I laughed at the idea of being Assyrian..thought it was ridiculous and I still do. There are NO Assyrians today..not a one, including me. What there is..is a Heritage of such magnificence that we can`t begin to imagine..and especially NOT when we think of THESE putzes as Assyrians. The INFLENCE of that Heritage as an inspirational force that will never die...it is what EXISTS...but it exists in those who are open to it above all else...not those who chase yahwe.
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>There is definitely something that happens when you return to your own gods..when you are open once again to whatever force it was that made our ancestors build mountains and then move them too. That can`t be denied. Paul`s kind of Christianity get`s you positioned to have mountains dumped on you..let him enjoy it all he wants to. I have no desire to match violence with anyone or get buried with anyone..I don`t want to start killing people all over again to form another empire...it`s been done..several times and we did it among the BEST when there was a crying need for the security that an empire could provide for the Arts of Humanity to grow...bringing together and blending elements from ALL corners of the world...AND, equally important, being able to kick the shit out of anyone who tried to destroy what we were buidling and would soon enough hand over to all people to use and enjoy...exhausting ourselves in the process..that`s enough for an eternity.
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>For those of us inspired by Ashur today...call us any name you want to...the future isn`t a bad replay of the past..you can`t go back..ever. We choose to move forward free of the murderous and narrow-minded prejudice of Juso/Christianity which is bringing us closer to a major conflagration daily...we modern Assyrians..neo-Pagan, Witches, Warlocks and all...are aiming somewhere else...and I only have directions for myself..no one else.
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>Even in those old days we were a forward looking people..we didn`t want to go BACK to old glory days..we always moved ahead...into the future, transforming "reality" as we went along..while Paul would have made the perfect cro-magnon cannibal..never changing his "morality"..laughing at all the "fluid" Peoples who moved across history while he stood knee deep in dinner...
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>All I`ve done, with much help, is create a free and open place..if no one was here or ten thousand were...I`d still be doing what I do...wouldn`t matter to me. If people have bothered to come read and now write more and more...what has that to do with me? It`s not MY forum...I just use it the way I please..and so can anyone else...I`ll not only protect my own family from Paul and Dean..but I`ll protect theirs from Christians who would dare try here what they did to Paul on Christian forums...that`s fair enough and I don`t anyone here seriously sees that as "opressive".
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>...so, why all this? I`m getting tired of the same arguments with the same one people...I don`t find anything in Jewish or Christian "philosophy" worth a dead cat..certainly nothing original...except for this cannibalism business and the idea of rejoicing when innocent people are killed for YOU. I find that disgusting, we know it`s criminal..and no way to raise healthy children.
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>If I ignore Paul and Dean it`s because there isn`t anything there...nothing they have to offer any more. Do I mind that they then declare victory? Why would I? They tell me Jesus died for me and I don`t care...why would anything else they say matter. Of course..should Paul ever describe the core beliefs of Christianity that are exclusive to it and no other entity on earth...we can talk.



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