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Re: Is that all it took?
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Tuesday, August 3 2004, 21:11:25 (CEST)
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Paul Younan wrote:
>>Of COURSE IȘd deny Ashur with my mouth
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>Of course you would. You're not a man of principle.

...go fuck your principles...your principles got those churches bombed as surely as if youȘd placed the explosives yourselves...are you saying that you Christians would kill people anyway, on PRINCIPLE, if they gave in and swithced to your god? Is it killing innocent people you just can"t get enough of..since your entire religion would have been impossible had not Jesus been murdered...for YOU?

...principles are held to most dearly by people who are scoundrels. They use them like they use God..like you do. No sane god is so stupid as to expect his people to commit suicide...nothing would have changed had ten words been uttered but that children would have lived to grow and prosper and the world might know some peace...instead of principled murder.
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>Besides, do you think I'd let you get off that easy...with a simple verbal exchange? What if Christianity forced you, like Islam does, to cut off a portion of your dick?

...What do you mean...circumcison is a routine part of American medical practice...it is not reserved to Muslims...and yes..IȘd cut a portion of my dick off and allow my sonȘs to be cut off as well to spare him from having his head cut off...but then I value my sonȘs life more than your dick.

Would you still do it then, even though the loss to you would be far greater than to an average man? Even though there would be more of "you" in heaven at that point, than on earth?

...I canȘt relate to this mumbo jumbo..there is no heaven as youȘll find out. There is a hell and youȘre in it..youȘre just comfy there. As an Assyrian IȘd laugh at you all...IȘd cut and plaster and paste till you were ALL dizzy..and in my heart I"d wait for the first chance to get even.
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>Don't you think I'd be looking for you in church at that point, feverishly making sure you attend every Sunday as a bargain for your neck? Don't you think I would make sure your children are indoctrinated to my satisfaction as a price for your "freedom?"

...isnȘt that what your fucking priests did with you anyway? IsnȘt that what youȘre going to do with yours? If the price of living to fight another day is to survive even your dick and church...IȘd still do it...for even ONE blow back at you people would be worth it and allow me to endure anything...YOU go fall in a ditch, on "principle".
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>What is it with you people that you can't understand the commitment that was involved in the choice given to my great-grandparents - to your great-grandparents? Why do you think they could have "pretended" and everything would have been just fine?

...because the Jews could do it and others have too...several Christians switched over and their great grandchildren are as thankful as hell that they did..what difference does it make WHICH insanity you grow up in..insane people ALWAYS think theirȘs is "worth it".

..It takes more committment and will and courage to live...you all claim sacrifice in these cases was noble..bullshit, it was the easy way out as your question shows..of the two difficult positions your grandparents were placed, in which was the MORE difficult....endure a sword slash once and be done with it...or go to moqque every Friday and pray to Allah instead of Yahwe instead of Mugwhump...but see their children alive and well...in mosque beside them....which "hard choice" did they choose? They took the easy way out.
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>What kind of example would they have set to their children?

..if I tell my daughter, "sorry but my principles will not allow me to save your young vagina from being torn to shreds by these brutes who are asking me to do the impossible...say ten words...but daddy REALLY loves you"...I would be clapped in prison and should be hanged.

Would you have admired them for the "bravery" it took to save their own hide?

...they didnȘt save their hides..they threw them away. I would teach my children to never throw themselves away on drugs, alcohol or religion. I would teach them to make the harder choice...to endure the lashes and seek to find some way of improving the Human condition so that what they were made to suffer might be stamped out..I would NOT tell them to take the easy and get off the planet cause what the hell...Heaven is waiting for you anyway and youȘll get an even better seat at the table if you ALLOW yourself to be killed. I donȘt believe in heavens or rewards anywhere else..I donȘt fear death..it is a continuation of Life and as I embrace one I will not avoid the other...I wonȘt take the easy way out...IȘll stay and suffer a bruise to my dick..and IȘll endure an Imam the way IȘve endured priests...IȘll live and work and play along as far as I have to in order to learn how to topple the motherfuckers...they may want me safely gone and martyred for all I know..but IȘll fool thm...IȘll come back at them one day, like IȘm coming back at you. Name a time when youȘve heard of THIS kind of Assyrian? I survived all your bullshit all your taxes and all your mindless rituals and posts..and it made me stronger and IȘll kick your combined asses for you when I get the chance. You donȘt run this show....Assyrians do...and the only option I give YOU...is to kill me too.

Were you one of those kids in school who said "I showed him!" after the bully took your lunch money?

...yeah, thatȘs me.
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>PA-LEEZE. What the hell are YOU talking about? Do you hear yourself?

...now YOUȘre getting breathless.
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>>It takes nothing to die at the sight of the first scimitar...itȘs hardly anything to be proud of.
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>Really? Is that something YOU would have the courage to go through for Ashur's sake?

...well you certainly werenȘt willing to...neither was Abgar, the Putz you all teach your children ran after Jesus cause he cured his VD. Ashur doesnȘt ask me to die for his sake..if I was ever presented with that option, he would expect to lie cheat and steal and not think twice about it because I was FORCED into that position by the people I will lie to, cheat and steal from...THEY asked for it...and live to fight another day...thatȘs exactly what I did...when Nimrod and Bejan and then Narsai too thought they had me over a barrel and SURELY I"d give in..when I was looking at a year in prison here for rescuing my own horses and I needed money for a lawyer, Narsai chose THAT time to try to coerce me into putting his name on the Ashurbanipal Monument...I told him to fuck off as I told Nimrod and Jackie to...I knew I would live to fight back...but to give in would have been the end because they were going for the soul of me...if I could have played them off with words I would have done it..but they knew words mean nothing to me...they wanted to cripple the DEED...instead I turned the tables on them...like I did on the brave ones who threatened me in front of my children in Chicago...and THEY ran when I turned the tables on them...I donȘt run..and I donȘt commit suicide..and I didnȘt..it was all part of the REAL monument project which was to say loud and clear...Assyrians are back..take your dangling Jews and go somewhere else.

Of course not, you already said you would drop him in a heartbeat. He's no God to you. If he were, you would never deny him like that. He's a novelty to you, something you are using only to throw away when he becomes an inconvenience.

...now you are being purposefully stupid..is that a tactic thatȘs valid to you somewhere? I said I would give any oath with my mouth...because Ashur needs me alive. It matters not at all to him if you live or die..it matters a great deal if I give up. I said I would live to fight another day...and I have.
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>Of course YOU wouldn't die for HIM, HE surely didn't die for YOU.
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>>...I felt strongly about living to WORK for my Heritage..and I worked and worked and worked till your Christians tried to kill me..and they didnȘt succeed and IȘm alive to work and work and worlk till I die working...apparently youȘve never felt that...pisheeta.
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>Who tried to kill you? Are you going insane?

...youȘre being deliberately foolish.
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>>...and what sin or srimes does Ialam impose on you that Christianity doesnȘT...
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>Killing of infidels, which is something Christian Assyrians NEVER did.

...they never said ten words to save their own children either. They donȘt kill others...just get their own killed. Christians are NOT infidels to Muslims...heathens are. They did not consider the Roman armies as being made up of anything but murderers in Christian disguise..as you already admit these are not REAL Christians..they felt the same way about them..felt they were barbarians in disguise and therefore worthy of death...they treated decent people decently in no less numbers than you Christians treated them...you have this thing about being special Christians..you are not. There are LOTS of Christians who donȘt kill who understand they will pay for the crimes of the majority of Christians...they may not be directly guilty...but they are tagged by association...just as you lump all Muslims under one bloody umbrella. But such Christians..being trapped among Muslims who are ALL being targetted by Christians for their religion..would NEVER vote for or encourage attacks against their people for fear of what happened this week=end....but you are principled.
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>>...does Islam tell children to disrespect their parents..
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>Yes, if they are unfaithful to Allah.

...run along with you...that is pure bullshit.
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>>...does it tell parents to kick their children...
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>Yes, if they are unfaithful to Allah.

...give it a rest. Even now...EVEN NOW...a day after churches were bombed in Iraq you are still spreading this nonsense and slandering their religion. I guess you never knew any Muslims...I lived among them and as many of us will tell you they are as fine and as awful as anyone else. You are spreading hate...the same exact kind you people spread against Jews for centuries till you got your wish...take out the word "Muslim" or "Islam" and replace it with "Jew" and "Jewish" and youȘll not be too surprised to hear yourself uttering Nazi Christian propaganda. You should know better by now. After spreading hatred against Jews with same sorts of slanders and lies...and having killed millions of them just a few decades ago..you are back with lies and distortions against Muslims and Islam..your OWN Muslim people more than any...one has to assume you people now want Muslim skin lampshdes to round out your decor.
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>>...are Muslims forbidden from showing pity and kindness to strangers...
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>Yes, unless they are Muslim strangers

...bullshit...Muslims are told to show hospitality even to their worst enemy if they find him helpless and at their mercy. You are a pious thug relating stories of pious thugs on the other side.
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>>...what food and drink do they eat and drink you don"t...
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>They don't eat pork or drink alcohol.

...both of which anyone would do well to avoid...and not all Muslims follow that anyway. You wonȘt eat meat on Fridays..unless there is a circus in town.
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>>...what clothes do they wear no one else ever wore...
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>A fuckin' Burqa that my wife would NEVER wear.

....Not all Muslims wear them..they didnȘt in Iran till the United States planted the mullahs..and they didnȘt in Iraq till they planted this new puppet regime and they havenȘt worn them in several Muslim countries...

...congratulations on your fashion principles.
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>>...arenȘt they loving and kind in their families and among their children..
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>Yes, in *their* families and among *their* children...

...they are kind to others as well...or donȘt you read aina propaganda? Muslims are among the most decent and loving people and they have as many creeps in Islam as we have of you in Christendom.
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>>...what is so fucking awful or alien in Islam that you just couldnȘt do..and is worth sending your children to their graves to spare them from? What?
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>Take a look at the armpit of the world they've created since they took over Beth-Nahrin.

...Oh really? Iraq was more advanced than the West with better health care than Americans ever had and better schools too...this is silly

And don't give me that Abbassid-era bullshit of yours. The only reason they made anything of themselves at all is because they had Christian Assyrians in their court that taught them how to read, to stop counting on their fingers and to take a fuckin' bath.

...they knew how to read already..there were Christians in Arabia and Jews too. They had to do more than read to create the greatest empire and culture of their day..the Gentlemen of the Medeival Age...that"s what they were known as. If youȘre going to claim that desert Arabs built all that magnificence on their own JUST so you can have your Christian scribes...discounting compeletly the obvious fact that someone taught them a LOT more than reading...and that Assyrians joined Islam by the thousands and were rejuvenated by it and enriched it no end...for which you hate them..then whatȘs the point...your hatred of Assyrian Muslims is complete.
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>You keep mentioning what Pope Faggot did during the Inquisition and I keep telling you that I don't give a fuck what some Polish, Italian or Greek faggot did during the Inquisition to the Jews in Portugal.

...like no Muslim gives a fuck what Pasha Bob did to you.
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>Give me an example of anything ANY Christian Assyrian has done to anybody.

...you HIDE behind the guns of others...you formed Levies and killed your hosts who took you in when you were running for your lives..we had lots of Assyrians then, as now, telling you assholes not to believe the British...you have indeed killed amny Muslims...and if you only could...youȘd kill a whole bunch more. You get no credit with me for being the bunglers that you are...you"ve got one Nun now who at least aims to shoot straight....and if only someone would make pets of you and set you up in a triangle...and arm you and paid you..are you telling me you WOULDNȘT kill? The Jews also never killed anyone till they were given the chance..look at them now. You are cut from the same cloth..on your own you commit suicide and run...with backing you will be the same thugs and rods you claim we were for yahwe...do your own dirt, stop hiding behind Bush.

We are not responsible for what Western Christianity has done, we are not part of Western Christianity or the Roman Church. Why the fuck must we suffer for their misdeeds?

..exactly what the Iraqis felt when America chose to attack them instead of Saudi, whose citizens committed those misdeeds. It just works out that way with religion.
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>Learn your history and pick up a map sometime and find out that our history was outside of Rome and Roman soldiers did *not* force us into Christianity.

...yes they did...they do it today by holding out the hope that if you join Rome they will give you Christ. They did it then too...I only wish Muhammad had waited a little...for the Byzantines would have killed you as heretics...or converted you and then the Turks would have defeated them and put you all out to pasture...instead the Muslims allowed you to live in peace..a greater peace than you would have enjoyed under the Romans...they just kept you from killing each other for which interfernce you never forgave them as there isnȘt anyone a Christian enjoys killing more than another Christian.
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>You make some really ridiculous claims sometimes.

...so do you.



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