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Re: Let the jury decide......
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Wednesday, September 22 2004, 20:22:19 (CEST)
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Tiglath wrote:
>Dear friends,
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>I need your opinions on a couple of historical quotes that have recently been brought to my attention.
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>Now I'd like you to first read the quotes below then honestly vote on which of these you believe is the more accurate of the 3 options. Just vote for now and we can comment on the quotes later.
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>Thank you,
>Paul Younan

...I am confused..why is Paul`s name here?
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>About 420 an alarmed Zoroastrian high priest came before Yazdegerd to complain that Christian evangelism was inducing mass apostasy from the state religion.


..I find this hard to believe. I realize this is a Christian author sort of being critical of certain church members..and while that may serve to make it appear "honest"...I smell the same rat. What the statement puts before us without a shred of evidence is that massive apostasy, that would be conversion away from, the established faith was taking place. That`s too much of what these bastards claim anyway...and I don`t believe it.

We are told two fables..in the West they gloss over their crimes because the historical record is clear...they killed everyone into Jesus. In those instances where the Western Church left no witnessess..they claim that PROVES they won people over peacefully...that`s absurd...if we KNOW they later killed everyone in sight...why would we assume they were gentle lambs before? Doesn`t make sense..which, if you are infected already, you`ll say that`s PRECISELY why you should believe it..because it is MIRACULOUS!

In the East where they could get no military sponsor...their tactic of choice was to lie and say they HAD millions of converts anyway..without ONCE resorting to the tactics of those nasty old Romans...but, sad to say..those millions all "disappeared".... into 600 graves.

The bottom line is that these people are liars..as they are murderers, for god. Had Ghengis taken on their religion you can bet yout sweet ass they would have ALL followed the lead of this one bishop and attacked and attacked and slaughtered and burned too....well, they wouldn´t have..they would instead have played Rome`s game of sending you to the secular arm to be killed...that way they remained "innocent".

They are game playing scoundrels...every one of them.


The Christian cause was not helped


..this statement implies it was doing great...as a cause...but for these minor set-backs when a priest or two got out of hand...don`t believe it. The rich tapestry of Persia and the entire region was eons above and away from those sheepshitherders and their morals. No one gave up an idol or a building for the garbage from Jerusalem...no one. In the West they murdered millions into Christ...in the East they LIED millions into Christ.


by some arrogant attacks on fire temples by sincere but fanatical Christians, the most violent of whom were often converts from Zoroastrianism. The Shah could scarcely ignore open desecration of the state temples and the destruction of religious peace in his realm. He empowered the Zoroastrian clergy to persuade apostates from the national religion to renounce their conversion to Christianity and return to the faith of the empire "Not, however, by death, but by fear and a certain amount of beating."
>*A History of Christianity in Asia, Samuel Moffett
>Volume 1 - Beginnings to 1500
>p. 159, Paragraph 2
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>Later in the reign of Yazdegerd, the Persian bishop, Abdas of Susa destroyed a Zoroastrian temple in the city; the king ordered the bishop to restore the building at his own expense. Abdas refused and the result was the order by the king to destroy all churches.
>*A Brief History of Christianity in Iran, By Massoume Price, December 2002
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>Was the Church of East Bishop's use of violence and disruption of religous peace.....

....of course
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>a. ....an attempt to gain new influence and followers from the Zoroastrian faith?

..don`t see how that would win anyone over...who likes a criminal?

>b. < Your main point that you believe may explain these quotes. >


...I will not accept anything someone who peddles miracles and damns people for refusing to accept them says...not a word...not unless they have some pretty solid evidence...they have shown themselves to be unreliable and fickle by taking such absurd things "on faith"...wine into fish INDEED! Someone that screwy has to show me a lot of solid evidence and I don`t see any..just tricks from gamesters.

>c. < Your second point that you believe may explain these quotes. >

...I am not that clear on just what you want. I base my opnion on known facts..and church history is NOT factual...not for any of their supernatural claims..I`m willing to believe that THEY believe fire came from a saint`s arse in 987 AD...I will accept that they have it written DOWN in a book...but that doesn`t mean it ever happened...that`s the disticntion between history and hysteria...

...history "records" their hysteria...in that, it is accurate.



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