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Re: THAT`s Paul!
Posted by Paul Younan (Guest) - Wednesday, September 8 2004, 6:25:45 (CEST)
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>>Committing a greater crime does not ameliorate the effects of the initial crime.
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>...you mean if I beat the shit out of you and your left eye is hanging out of its socket and it`s against the law to operate on Wedensdays and it`s Wednesday..you`d leave your eye hanging out there beacause you didn`t want to break a law to ameliorate my initial crime against you?

That's another bullshit analogy. My eye is my eye. A woman carrying a male baby isn't cutting off her own dick when the abortionist (note, not "doctor") cuts the baby into pieces.

Your analogy is bullshit, once again.

>You people deicded it`s illegal for a woman to have fun abortions..you made it illegal on Wednesdyas..who the fuck asked you? Take care of your bodies and let the rest of us take care of ours.

That's more bullshit. Abortion "for fun" was legalized a mere 30 years ago, and it will become illegal again.

>...It`s only a crime because MEN made it one...

Again you're full of bullshit. There are millions of women who are pro-life.

>...and the same men want to make it illegal again..

And the millions of women who are pro-life.

>...if you could have your way I`d be arrested for Blasphemy...

If I had my way I'd let you keep on doing what you're doing so that people can know the shallowness of your neo-paganism.

>...and you`d burn women at the stake again...

Sigh. More meaningless bull. When you resort to tactics like this, "Farid", you really show how slippery your morals are. People know you are losing an argument when you resort to childish tactics like this. Who said anything about burning anyone at a stake?

Did Christian Assyrians ever burn anyone at a stake? Oh, yes, I forgot - the Puritans, yes yes. =) Don't forget to mention the Irish Catholics vs. Protestants and what the Germans did to the Jews.

>...though sending them to an illegal abortionist comes close...

Nobody is sending anyone anywhere. If someone tries to kill you and gets their ass kicked and their eyeballs gouged out by a pissed-off Parhad, it's not my fault just because I wish murder to be illegal in this country.

More bullshit analogy on your part. Can't you come up with something relevant to the discussion at hand? Try - I know you have the potential to think for yourself and not parrot abortuary propoganda.

>...why don`t you mean just go all the way and fuck each other?

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>>I'm not willing to sacrifice the innocent daughter she is carrying for the sins of its biological father.
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>...of course not..like I said, the only one you are willing to sacrifice is the woman..

Of course I'm not sacrificing the woman. Don't be silly, you silly guy you.

>...and if truth be told..as it is in your bible..woman is guilty for the WHOLE thing..

Heheh. You're a silly neo-pagan.

>..and let her bear children in pain and let her get fucked in pain and married in pain and diveroced in pain and live and die in pain...in Heaven is where she`s frist damned...and as it is in YOUR Heaven..so shall ye seek to make it here.

Heheh. Go on, go on. This is painful to watch, but it need to be shown to people.

>>The war against Iraq you mean? Yes. Like the war against Babylon in which your Assyrians committed war crimes against babies who were still sucking milk.
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>..that was then..we`re talking about this one...you really must try to stay on topic...we can discuss Babylon later...any time you`re up for it...my question had to do with condemning all those who kill today, we already abortion was a crime back then...answer that first and then take us back to sunny Babylon.

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>>>..what is the justification for your daughter`s life being placed in jeoprardy
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>>This is a non-issue you keep bringing up
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>..it`s THE issue...naturally not to you...why must women be placed in danger in favor of a Pulp IS the question.

In case it didn't get through your silly skull before, let me state it again: It is very very rare for a woman's life to be in danger from a pregnancy in today's modern medical environment.

In the case that a woman's life is for sure going to end because of a pregnancy, it is our moral duty to save the life of the mother. If the baby is viable, it is imperative that we try and save its life as well. If not, we must save the mother.

Now, did you finally understand that or am I going to have to speak in Arabic for your to understand? My daughter's life would never be in danger in that situation, as abortion would be legal if the mother's life was in danger.

Did you get it this time?

Let me say it again: Pro-lifers are woman and men who have mothers, sisters and daughters. No pro-lifer wants women to die. The meaning of pro-life, in case you can't understand the term, is that we are PRO LIFE. That means we value LIFE.

Earth to Farid: We value LIFE - including, obviously, that of the mother who is our mother, our sister or our daughter. No pro-lifer wants to make abortion illegal in the case where the life of the mother is in danger.

Got it yet? Let me know if you need me to repeat these facts again. Don't bring up the "health of the mother being in jeopardy" again - that's a false appeal to emotion that is a common tactic among neo-pagan humanists such as yourself.

You've about near beaten this straw man to death, Farid. Give it up.

> when it suits your need to logic and reason. All pro-lifers want to save lives, that's the meaning of the term pro-life in case you were too stoopid to understand it.
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>...I understand perfectly well...why are you pro-death...for the mother?

Farid, du u undirstan eeengliz? Us pro-life peepul, vee like life velly velly much so. We no want deth to peepul....we like life for da modur and for da babito. U undirstan now? No dead modur, no dead babito. You undirstan?

>>Pro-lifers are women and men with mothers and sisters and daughters, and not a single one that I know wants to make abortion in the case of the mother's life illegal.
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>...no one doeas..even Paul wants his son`s skull crushed if it comes to saving the mother...you`re trying to be cute again..we`re talking about fun abortions for ANY reason...stand still and fight.

Abortions for ANY reason OTHER than a direct threat to the life of the mother would be illegal - you understand now? That's what pro-lifers want. Death to no one - life for everyone. Are you really this stoopid?

>>You are morally bankrupt as a neo-Pagan humanist, which is why you are constantly resorting to a non-issue. No pro-lifer wants a woman to die. We want to stop all other abortions.
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>....Pro-Choice people don`t like abortions any more than you do..

Bullshit. Abortion mills like "Planned Parenthood" (which really has nothing to do with Parenthood) is not only the largest provider of baby murders in the country, it is also the biggest financer of the dirty business.

>...no one likes them...

People who make millions of dollars off of them like them very much. Ask to see Planned Parenthood's annual report sometime. Edumacate yourself.

>...we just don`t want women placved at risk in ANY way THEY decide the issue.

We don't want women placed at risk, either. There will always be a legal way for women who are in danger of dying because of the pregnancy to end their pregnancy. All pro-lifers I know support that position.

>...How come you aren`t pro-life in Iraq right now?

You justified the murder of children for natural resources and security, don't you go asking me that question. I am pro-life in Iraq and in the entire world. Where did you get the idea that I was pro-death in Iraq? You're fighting that straw man again Farid. Did you take your medicine today?

>...Why is it opkay to starve to death 500,000 children..

Who said that was ok? It certainly wasn't me who justified the slaughter of Babylonian infants for the securing of natural resources. I simply pointed out that your logic applies today to the new "Assyria" and the new "Ashurbanipal."

Your words, not mine. Remember that you slippery little pagan you.

>...and don`t go back to Babylon or I`ll remind you that abortion is here to stay..

We'll see about that. Abortion has been here for a mere 33 years. It will go away soon....except where the life of the mother is in danger. You'll see.

>...weèw discussing IDEAS...why aren`t you people consistant when it comes to condemning ALL those who kill...and staring there since they kill far more living babies and children AND mothers?

Of course we condemn ALL those who kill. H-E-L-L-O.

>>>...when she did nothing to deserve being raped...or are you also one of those who believes a woman who is raped must have asked for it?
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>>Oh give it a rest Farid. Of course she did nothing to deserve being raped - who said any such thing?
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>..then why must she pay? She was here and alive FIRST...she is line for life FIRST..the fetus comes AFTER her...why does it take precedence...why does it cut in front of her...

This is not a line at an amusement park ride. You are talking about precious life on both sides of the umbilical cord. Relax with your stoopid analogies.

You want to talk about "paying?" How would she feel in the future when she remembered the birthdate of her own offspring that she chose to kill, even though it never did anything to deserve it...even though it didn't wish for her to be raped?

Do you think for one moment in that little mind of yours that it would be any easier on her to abort and try to "forget" what she did, than to give the baby up for adoption....in which case she at least would know that she didn't commit a greater crime than the one committed against her?

Walla you are stoopid.

> Again, you are appealing to false accusations and your bankrupt morals to give yourself a righteous apprearance...you pansy fag.
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>...it isn`t false because you can`t deal with it...abortion was legalized by sober white men who go to church too

So was slavery. And it ended. And this evil will end one day too, in your lifetime and possibly very soon. You see our progress. I will be around to remind you of this. Remember my words.

>...and don`t want blood on their hands any more than you do...

Their intentions were flawed. A bunch of senile old men on the bench in 1971 did not reflect the wishes of the American people. But their replacements will. Watch and see.

>...like you said...they just addmitted the obvious, which you don`t seem to care about..that a woman should not have to place her life at risk to terminate an unwanted pregnancy..

There you go again. There would never be a risk, because there would never be a ban on those types of abortions.

Keep attacking that straw man, you bumbling idiot, keep it up.

>...not for health reasons those were ALWAYS legal...THAT is a non-issue here...not until you decided to make an end-run at fun abortions...therby adding a REAL physical risk to women..

Are you listening to yourself? "Fun abortions", as you call them, have nothing to do with health. Are you ok?

>...but fortunately the courts stopped you bastards...

Wait until those old fogies on the courts croak...and see who they are replaced by. Then we'll see who gets stopped.

>...fun abortions were instituted because white Christians realized women would get abortions anyway..

Your reasoning is analogous to saying "fun drug-dealing was instituted because they realized that people would get drugs anyway"....."fun cop-killing was instituted because they realized that people would kill cops anyway"...."....."fun grandma-killing was instituted because they realized that people would kill grandmas anyway"....

I swear to God I thought you had more intelligence than this.

>...that by making them illegal they were only making it harder on women to get them..

Like the guns you bleeding-heart liberals want to eliminate? How about drugs? Are we as a society to allow anything and everything by excusing the consequences away - saying, "We just had to make it legal because it would be to hard on the criminals otherwise?"

>...and where they couldn`t travel to get legal and clean ones, they would still resort to back alley abortions...so that the fetus would get killed ANYWAY...

The state should not give a woman free reign to kill her baby just because she "would do it ANYWAY". Do you not see the slippery slope here? I'm not talking about your forehead, or foreskin, either. TRY, just TRY to imagine the logical (but illogical) conclusion of what you are saying.

Pedophiles would be able to argue that we should allow a drop in the legal age simply because "they are going to do it ANYWAY"....and, your other brilliant excuse, "Why make it harder on them - where they have to go in the alleys and the dark rooms to do it?"

The bottom line is that both abortion and child rape are infringments on the rights of others. A woman has no more right to the body of her male baby, which isn't of course her own body since it has a penis, than does a sicko have the right to touch a child's body.

You are one pathetic neo-pagan, wulla you are.

>...that was never the issue...it isn`t as if you BANNED abortion from the face of the earth..that will never happen...

You'll see whether or not it will happen.

>...all you`ve managed to do is place the woman at additional risk...

Of course not, don't be silly. There will always be a legal way to get an abortion if your life is at risk. Under any other circumstance, it is immoral to take the life of another human being. Self-defense is the only morally acceptable reason....but then again, what does a humanist neo-pagan like yourself with situational morality know about morals, or reason?

>...THAT is your agenda and that is most definitely the issue...

You silly boy - pro-life agenda, in case the meaning of the term was obscure to you, means we are pro-life. By definition that CAN'T be "my agenda". You're just attacking your straw man again....or wanking it, one of the two.

>...no one is debating health-risk abortions which were always legal and decided upon quietly by a woman and her doctor...

I'm certainly not debating life-risk abortions which were always legal. I'm debating the other 99% that you people made legal back in 1971, but which will become illegal once again in a very short period of time.

>...till you people seized on the photos and tried to inflame passions about women getting THESE kinds of abortions for ANY reason..even for fun..right up to the delivery room dooor..your tactics, like you are transparent and desipicable..call all the names you want to...legal abortion for fun during the first Trimester is here to stay...it gives you a non-issue to inflame passions by and get into office so you can do your REAL fucking over...you could care less for a fetus.

What we are fighting against is abortion-on-demand during ANY period of the baby's life...from day one to 9 months....unless the life of the woman is in danger.

>>>..why does all of this descend on the back of a woman? Why is she damned one way and the other?
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>>Neither the pregnant woman nor the pre-born woman will be damned.
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>...the pre-bron fetus isn`t a Human yet..

You're not a human even now. Of course the pre-born baby (I understand your need, your insistence to dehumanize him or her by calling him or her a "fetus") is a human. It has 46 chromosomes, its own genetic markup. It is a different person from both its mother and its father. It's just as human as anyone else.

>...if it gets born in the first trimester it will die...

Of course it will. If you fall off a cliff without a parachute you will die, too. There are certain stages in life we all go through, and at which we are more or less dependent on others for our own survival....you are entering such a phase in your life soon where maybe a nurse will need to change your depends diaper and wipe your butt for you and feed you. How would you like to be thrown off a cliff like the pagans used to do, just because you've become a burden to someone else?

>...why must a mother be forced to carry it beyond that time by you..or your God?

Because human life is precious and sanctified and is not our own to do with as we please - especially not that of another. A woman can cut her self up all she wants and she would be hurting no one else but herself. If she jumped off a cliff her only crime, although tragic, would be against herself. Abortion ends the life of another human being....in, of all places, the very sanctuary in which it is supposed to be protected and nurtered...the most henious of all crimes against both God and Nature.

>...If the preganat woman is stopped she is indeed damned...forced to risk her life for no good reason..

There you go again! There would never be any risk to her life because abortion would always be available to her in those rare cases where it is an issue.

>...it is her decision to make not your`s...

It's society's decision, and it will make the final decision soon. Watch and see.

>...war is your business..go stop that killing.

Straw man again, Farid.

> The rapist is the one damned, unless of course the pregnant woman commits the bigger crime of murder.
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>..for a woman to rid herself of the effects of the crime committed against her is the BIGGER crime? Nuff said.

For a woman to commit MURDER to "ameliorate" RAPE? Nuff said.

-Paul



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