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Re: another Andreas
Posted by parhad (Guest) - Wednesday, September 1 2004, 1:12:53 (CEST)
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Paul Younan wrote:
>>...Of course I won't do that...told you underneath all the religious cant they're all thugs...for yahwe, who else?
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>Why don't you tell us all again how Roman soldiers slipped into Parthia and Armenia and raped us both into Christianity?

..why don't you put the video up? You have no credibility here. Of course you can post...but let's tell it like it is...you deliberately misled people...played your games and now you come here with an obviously doctored map you got from somewhere...we have to ask ourselves.."When, oh when Ashur, will thy rod strike this false man".
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>Dean is right when he says that your posts are meaningless unsubstantiated rant.

...naturally
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>It was your insistance that "there is no nation on earth that willingly converted to Christianity" that Dean is debating with actual examples.


'''I'll try showing you some courtesy again though Lord knows it's lost on you...all the silly points you raise we've taken great pains to answer point by point noneheless...insults aside we've tried to address the issues, only to watch you hop over many that we asked you to explain...if I bother answering you I'll get a "yeah yeah Parhad"..but for the sake of fixing you well in everyone's mind I'll give it one more shot...

1)..You claim there is a Jesus and a yahwe..yet you have not once provided any proof...all you do is show me your bible and tell me that proves it..."look, he's mentioned in the bible". If that's your idea of proving he exists...naturally it's going to be difficult to prove anything to you...I gave elaborate REASONS...circumstantial of course since neither you nor I know how Aremnia came to be Christian...and none of it did you even try to refute...you merely said again, "look stupid...there is Armenia...there is not one Armenian who ISN't Christian...therefore"..and then you take your flying leap and expect to jump with you.

2)If I contend that the Church merely killed all those who refused..and we look back at it's history of blood and guts in its "conversions"..we see clearly that people were dragged kicking and screaming to Christ...certainly whole cultures were...That is an irrefutable fact.

3)You go back to a time BEFORE we can expect any independent acounts...you find a nation who's survivors today happen to all be Christian (And I dare YOU to prove that) and tell me they all MUST have converted willingly...and this passes for proof with you?

4) I'll say again...if you come back from over the mountain where I haven't been and tell me there is an apple tree that grows apples, I won't ask you for proof...my own experience tells me it's true. If you come and tell me you found tennis balls growing on an apple tree...it is NOT my job to prove YOU wrong...If you are going to present me with a fantastic story that stands all my experience on its head, it is YOUR obligation to provide the proof.


5) Everything we know of the fierce determination people and cultures have to degfend themselves from attack..to cherish what they spent centuries building up...to revere the religions they were born in and raised their children in and buried their loved ones in TELLS us that no one would willingly throw it over when confronted by a new one that might as well have come from another planet...and this goes for you Christians as weel who tell us you have chosen DEATH and incredible torture but have remained TRUE! What does that do but tell the rest of us that our ancestors ways were worthless and not worth the effort once confronted by the TRUTH of Jesus.

6) Church history is replete with incredible violence done to innocent people who were forced to convert to the Roman Imperial Religion or face death and worse...we have independent corroboration from what we know happened in the New World which the pope took upon himself to parcel out to Christians...we know what was done to African slaves brought to Americva who until recently were ALL Christian...yet would you use that fact to suggest they jumped into Jesus WILLINGLY?

7) Of course not. Why? Because you are an honest man? No...because we caught you...had this been done 1500 years ago you WOULD say they all converted willingly because LOOK..they are ALL Christian...not a Voodoo worshipper among them.

8) And so it is, that by taking into account what we do know about the methods employed by your faith to "spread" itself all around...coupled with what we KNOW of human nature where religion and old habits are concerned (and you need look no further than in your own heart where you say you would rather die than change)...adding to that the fact that Armenia also claims to be have been the first "nation" to embrace Christianity,which incidentally puts them back far enough that they converted to Judaism...but at the least means it occured at a time when we have no reliable facts, except for what the butchers themselves now claim..which fly in the face of everything we KNOW about how they operated...all this rolled into one...INDICATES that the Faith did, back then, what we know it's done since...that they forced themselves on people who never heard of them...that they killed and enslaved all those who refused...and that they raised the orphanss in this new faith..and for further evidence that this can be done..that the indigenous religons of people can be entirely wiped out of their memories and the religion of their enemies be placed deep with their children's consciousness till there is not only no one of their old religions left alive..but generations of those children will believe they all CHOSE FREELY to become Christian, in this case...and as PROOF will say..."See...all Armenians are Christians...there fore we always were..or, we CHOSE it freely.

9) I've gone to some pains to write this...again. If you want to have anything further to do here but dog my heels...would you mind refuting each point raised...attack my argument and not me...do NOT point out flaws in my character...in my family...do not bring in extraneous matter that's already been hashed out...I want you to specifically concentrate on the idea that YOU have proof that Armenians chose freely to become Christian...because on the face of it and by all our experience, this cannot have been the case...the exception does not prove the rule...you are focused on Armenia and so therefore so am I, for now....YOUare positing what I cliam is is a ridiculous and unproveable proposition that is unique if true...therefore since you have introduced something that goes against my experiience and knowledge of the Faith's Modus Operandi..it is YOUR obligation to prove to us that tennis balls really ARE growing on an apple tree back in Armenia.

10) As you aquit yourself in this we'll know whether this is all more bullshit and games, or if you can handle a serious challenge and stick to the question at hand.

...I've numbered the points so one doesn't slip your mind...could you kindly address each one...and please consider that I am busy as well but I find the time to do Ashur's work...I trust you have some time to do Christianity's...which I would have thought would consist of more than name calling and lying.


YOU made the silly generalization, for which you are so well known. The burden of proof is on YOU to provide empirical evidence of your claim, NOT on Dean to refute your silliness.

...I just went through it..please SHOW us how that works..if all you do is repeat yourself there's no real desire to discuss on your part...I could have come back at you with what amounts to a big NYAH NYAH..instead I went to some trouble to lay out my reasoning..I don't want insults and dogma back....of course you can remain at thaty level..but I'm not going to play any more games with you..you already showed yourself to be untrustworthy...try not to make a habit of it.

...as an end note and also tofix you in our minds, could you please adress two other questions that were put to you


1a) If your daughters were pregnanat and you could not convince them to have the child and give it up....and they would agree to nothing and demand to have an abortion and it fell within the legal time period...would you rather a. Abortion was legal and provided by the BEST that money could buy, or, b. Would you prefer that your battles had borne fruit and there was no clean and safe place for them to toss your grandchild away BUIT a back alley abortion?

2a) As you have freely attacked my core beliefs and been allowed all the room and time you needed and as I never once asked you to stopbecause I felt ridiculed but rather took it all calmly and further as I did not refuse to explain myself in great and boring detail every time you asked...would you mind showing me the same courtesy and taking the same risks I did?


Thank You,

Farid

ps. just joking about the map...I will however stand by my contention that Rome and Rome's policies shaped Christianity and that the REAL Christianity you depend upon today and under whose shelter you practise yours was made possible through the rape and forced conversion of all those who started out following Rome, beacsue they were given no choice. If I am wrong in what I said about you personally being of the faith that Rome converted...then that also doesn't prove you adopted it willingly any time..especially if we are to believe you ever worshipped Ashur, whic you have denied...since you have called yourself a Jew, I'll take you at your word.



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