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Re: back a thousand years...
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Written by GS on 05 Aug 2004 20:00:45:
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>As an answer to: Re: Here is another opinion, read it carefully written by Fred Aprim on 05 Aug 2004 17:22:51:
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>Fred.
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>May I continue with you're thought and solidify what these Islamist are called to do? I hope I am not imposing?

...nah, plenty of room in the barn.
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>The Qur’an says:
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>“Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors”. 2:190

…sounds reasonable…would that yahwe had as much restraint when he ordered Joshua back to kill every Midianite, including he that pisseth against a wall…not a crime to anyone else…not as serious as the murder of children anyway
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>"ÞÇÊáæÇ Ýí ÓÈíá Çááå ÇáÐíä íÞÇÊáæäßã æáÇ ÊÚÊÏæÇ Åä Çááå áÇ íÍÈ ÇáãÚÊÏíä" ÇáÈÞÑÉ 190:2
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>“And slay them (the infidels) wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter” 2:191

…To the Muslims Christians and Jews were brothers…People of the Book. They were NOT Infidels. That term was reserved for pagans and heathens, especially among their own people in Arabia. They did mean by Infidel, Christians or Jews.

…To the Muslims the Roman emperors and their bloodthirsty armies were not REAL Christians..as I think Paul and the rest of the boys have repeatedly stressed themselves. To Muslims the Roman Christians were barbaric butchers who killed indiscriminantly. Indeed Khalid was gladly paid by Christian villages to protect them from the Christian Romans.

The boys make it seem like the Muslims called peaceful Christian villagers tilling their fields and raising their children in peace “Infidels”. They were not referring to true Christians..to use Paul`s phrase. They meant by Infidel the same FAKE ones Paul dislikes..they saw these brutes as hiding their dirt behind Jesus..and sought to protect themselves as well as the Christians of BetNahrain, Syria, Transjordan and Egypt from the rapacious Roman Emperors who were aiming at conquering all of the Arabian peninsula..a rich prize since the days of the Assyrians.

Had Islam not succeeded the “Heretic Christians in the path of the Orthodox Byzantines wouldm have been killed outright..or forcibly converted..the same fate the Emperor Heraclitus imposed on the Jews he came across, giving them the choice of the scimitar or conversation..and most of them were murdered..

…The line reads…” and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter” 2:191

…The Infidel Romans…fake Christians every one, hiding behind Christ…were indeed coming to turn people out…this line also refers to the real pagans and heathens…the only Infidels to the Muslims, who fought Muhammad and nearly killed him and his early followers. It does NOT refer to Christians…not real ones.

…Indeed, the kind of tumult and oppression the Romans brought in their wake were awful things to behold…and it would be better to slaughter all of them, than suffer what they had in store…which was far worse than mere slavery.

…This quote from the Koran is nothing other than a reminder to defend themselves for defeat at the hands of desert Infidels or murderous and therefore “fake” Christians..like the Romans…would be far worse for them…it would be GET slaughtered or slaughter.

..Had there been no entrenched religions in Arabis who resented a new one and tried to kill Muhammad and his followers..and had the Byzatines not made it plain that their conquests would not end till they rules their world..there would have been no need for Muhammad to fight at all…but given that there were enemies on all sides…he made wars in defense of ones religion, Holy Wars..which ever Christian has done as well…they were the Holy Crusades after all.

..I am not defending Islam here…for it needs none. This is just one instance of how the boys and their masters depend upon ignorance and leave Hatred to do the rest when they twist things out of all proportion to serve their agenda..which is to get all the Muslim Assyrians killed they can…as well as any Christian Assyrians who betray Christ by not hating Muslims…and should just as well be dead too.

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>" æóÇÞúÊõáõæåõãú ÍóíúËõ ËóÞöÝúÊõãõæåõãú æóÃóÎúÑöÌõæåõã ãøöäú ÍóíúËõ ÃóÎúÑóÌõæßõãú æóÇáúÝöÊúäóÉõ ÃóÔóÏøõ ãöäó ÇáúÞóÊúáö æóáÇó ÊõÞóÇÊöáõæåõãú ÚöäÏó ÇáúãóÓúÌöÏö ÇáúÍóÑóÇãö ÍóÊøóì íõÞóÇÊöáõæßõãú Ýöíåö ÝóÅöä ÞóÇÊóáõæßõãú ÝóÇÞúÊõáõæåõãú ßóÐóáößó ÌóÒóÇÁ ÇáúßóÇÝöÑöíäó" ÇáÈÞÑÉ 191:2
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>“And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and Faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression”. 2:193

…most humane and civilized..if you would only remember the Times during which this was written…The boys and thei rreal Christianity couldn`t fight their way out of panty hose. Had not the Romans picked up on Christianity and kept it alive at the tip of a sword..it would have withered and died away like several other sects they DIDN`T take to..the gentle and wise Essenes come to mind and there were lots of others. Muhammad was facing the same hostile forces the budding Christian community was…and since therew as no ferocious Empereor who converted to islam to protect the religion and make a going concern of it…Muhammad became his own general and wrote INTO the Koran those rules and guides by which it would wge war to defend itself…

..The Christian pope had the backing of the all powerful and bloody Roman Emperor…Mushammad had to be his own pope AND military leader…much like the ancient Assyrians combined both in one…as even the pagan Romans had both in their emperor who was also the Pontifex Maximus..a title the pope still uses that once belonged to the bloodiest tyrants the world ever saw.

If everyone would calm down and you Christians would stop using the same lying tactics and pleas to the ignorant that allowed you to nearly wipe out all Jews just 60 years ago.,…skills you honed to near perfection..which you are now applying to the Muslims..we might get some of that peace and goodwill you sing about one day a year. Or do you really want that?
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>" æóÞóÇÊöáõæåõãú ÍóÊøóì áÇó Êóßõæäó ÝöÊúäóÉñ æóíóßõæäó ÇáÏøöíäõ áöáøåö ÝóÅöäö ÇäÊóåóæÇú ÝóáÇó ÚõÏúæóÇäó ÅöáÇøó Úóáóì ÇáÙøóÇáöãöíäó" ÇÈÞÑÉ 193:2
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>“Fighting is prescribed for you, and you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not” 2:216

..wellshit old Yahwe sure nere could get enough bloodshed. And the Assyrians and even the Jews combined the roles of military leader and spiritual leader in one. That is all these verses are referring to. The Roman Christians had a vast empire, the largest and most organized of their day and with the split that came with Christianity, they had TWO huge emopires to govern…theree as no way the emperor could be pope and general. As it was they had to have four emperors..two serving and two in training…so they separated the religious from the military role…it was also a wise move because the popes could be the good guys…finding you guilty of whistling on Tuesday…but they couldn`t have you killed. They merely marked you for death and sent you to the secular arm and IT killed you. Islam merely had both roles in one..that`s all…and later when their empire grew they separatyed the Commander of the Faithful from Caliph…but when they wrote the Koran…both roles were in one leader…that`s all. Hells belles the Italians even had popes who WERE generals..wore armor and led armies to war and murder. Everyone calm down and stop trying to provoke hatred through ignorance and lies and innuendo.
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>" ßõÊöÈó Úóáóíúßõãõ ÇáúÞöÊóÇáõ æóåõæó ßõÑúåñ áøóßõãú æóÚóÓóì Ãóä ÊóßúÑóåõæÇú ÔóíúÆðÇ æóåõæó ÎóíúÑñ áøóßõãú æóÚóÓóì Ãóä ÊõÍöÈøõæÇú ÔóíúÆðÇ æóåõæó ÔóÑøñ áøóßõãú æóÇááøåõ íóÚúáóãõ æóÃóäÊõãú áÇó ÊóÚúáóãõæäó" ÇáÈÞÑÉ 216:2
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>"Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah, whether he is slain or gets victory soon shall we give him a reward of great (value)" 4:74

….again..nothing rare on unusual there. Every country rewards those who fall in its defense…so do religions. We even have a warrior Nun now. The boys make it appear Muslims want to wage war on peaceful villagers…that wasn`t the case at all…they fought pagans trying to kill them from the day Muhammad preched his first words..right up till the time when the Christian Romans came looking to steal and kill…it is for THOSE “pagans” and Infidels that trhese lines are meant..never for Christians…not the kinds of Christians Paul and Muhammad would call real ones.
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>"ÝóáúíõÞóÇÊöáú Ýöí ÓóÈöíáö Çááøåö ÇáøóÐöíäó íóÔúÑõæäó ÇáúÍóíóÇÉó ÇáÏøõäúíóÇ ÈöÇáÂÎöÑóÉö æóãóä íõÞóÇÊöáú Ýöí ÓóÈöíáö Çááøåö ÝóíõÞúÊóáú Ãóæ íóÛúáöÈú ÝóÓóæúÝó äõÄúÊöíåö ÃóÌúÑðÇ ÚóÙöíãðÇ" ÇáäÓÇÁ"74:4
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>“Seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.” 4:89

..of course not. This has nothing to do with blowing up churches while Christians pray….it`s more a reference to the types of false Christians…hiding behind Christ, who would go to a country that did nothing to them and after killing a half million of their children, for their god and in his service…would then bomb mosques..it is merely tit for tat..don`t tit them and they will never tat you. The boys have been trying to inflame hatred through lies and deception appealing to the same ignorant people who cooked Jews and ate them…they also are a little short on time and want to drive a fatal wedge between our people…before the world realizes its been had badly..that Msulim and Christian Iraqis are friends living in peace…in order to get them killing each other more and more…at which time they hope some more Christians will be wiped out..a LOT more..because that is their strategy and only hope for getting a triangle.it isn`t much od a hoipe and its built on the blood of their own people, as well as Muslim innocents by the hundreds of thousands..and these are JUST the kinds of Christians Muhammad warned were fake and bloody..and it`s the kind the boys want to use those churches to turn out in increasing numbers…and this will all be plain as day real soon…till then they`ll do all they can to turn up the flames in hopes of getting a BIG massacre.
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>"æóÏøõæÇú áóæú ÊóßúÝõÑõæäó ßóãóÇ ßóÝóÑõæÇú ÝóÊóßõæäõæäó ÓóæóÇÁ ÝóáÇó ÊóÊøóÎöÐõæÇú ãöäúåõãú ÃóæúáöíóÇÁ ÍóÊøóìó íõåóÇÌöÑõæÇú Ýöí ÓóÈöíáö Çááøåö ÝóÅöä ÊóæóáøóæúÇú ÝóÎõÐõæåõãú æóÇÞúÊõáõæåõãú ÍóíúËõ æóÌóÏÊøóãõæåõãú æóáÇó ÊóÊøóÎöÐõæÇú ãöäúåõãú æóáöíøðÇ æóáÇó äóÕöíÑðÇ" ÇáäÓÇÁ 89:4
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>"Allah has granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit at home "4:95

…well damn me!…isn`t that what that Christian ass JUST said? His post is still up at aina…saying if you don`t join him , get guns and FIGHT…but stay at home..you are HIS enemy and the enemy of HIS god? See..we are all one people divided by stupidity and we`ve allowed the stupid to take over form us.

YouREAL Christians are even calling for no more Mr Nice Guy…where`s the big deal?

..do we begin to see exactly where the problem lies and what the blocks are to peace along our road? It isn`t the majority on either side who are all decent and kind people..it`s these little ferrest rooting around the edges who are trying to burrow in with their rot and get more and more of us fighting each other and aginst our best interests…don`t let them succeed…hold fast..peace will come THIS way…we saw already what comes if we take their path…mosques and churches have been attacked with people, innocent people praying to their gods to send everybody peace…the boys appealing to you to FIGHT EVIL ISLAM afe twin brothers to thoise Muslims who urege their people to BLOW U EVIL CHURCHES…the boys are OUR fanatic lying thieving crazies..don`t be fooled by therr pious cant…the Muslim crazies are doing the same thing on the other side..hold fast…Keep Your Eyes On The Prize..we HAVE BetNahrain..we are ONE people…we can rebuild and get the benefit of ALL our people regardless of religion and we can put ALL criminals in jail…no matter which god they hide behind…In our old days when we taught the world half civilization we had LOTS of religions and tastes and foods and clothing and art styles and ides..it was from COMBINING them all and coming together..as the West learned to do after killing itself over religions, that we built the magnificent empires and rich cultures we did..one after another and all the weay to the Islamic Empire of Assyria…we can start the long but fun andexciting road back..in our past we did it several times after enemies conquered us…but never our spirit so that in time we conquered them…the greatness that was Betnahrain came from its diversity not from purity of blood.

Don`t let them divide and dice and slice us any further..we are almost done for and gone…holding onto to each is our only real hope…not driving a knifeinto each other to commemorate past mistakes..let`s learn and teach again…and go forward…for the love of all children..not just our own.
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>"áÇøó íóÓúÊóæöí ÇáúÞóÇÚöÏõæäó ãöäó ÇáúãõÄúãöäöíäó ÛóíúÑõ Ãõæúáöí ÇáÖøóÑóÑö æóÇáúãõÌóÇåöÏõæäó Ýöí ÓóÈöíáö Çááøåö ÈöÃóãúæóÇáöåöãú æóÃóäÝõÓöåöãú ÝóÖøóáó Çááøåõ ÇáúãõÌóÇåöÏöíäó ÈöÃóãúæóÇáöåöãú æóÃóäÝõÓöåöãú Úóáóì ÇáúÞóÇÚöÏöíäó ÏóÑóÌóÉð æóßõÜáÇøð æóÚóÏó Çááøåõ ÇáúÍõÓúäóì æóÝóÖøóáó Çááøåõ ÇáúãõÌóÇåöÏöíäó Úóáóì ÇáúÞóÇÚöÏöíäó ÃóÌúÑðÇ ÚóÙöíãðÇ" ÇáäÓÇÁ 95:4
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>"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly" 8:60

…the enemies of Allah were NEVER Christians…not real ones. Christian kings without end have made war on Christian kings…Christian armies have mounted steeds and chased and killed other Christian, ALL of them for the same ONE GOD.

..This verse merely says that if they would keep their religion.-.they will have to fight against those coming to destroy them..that`s all. It was never meant as a justiufication to go kill peacefull Christians minding their own business…these are the lies of the boys who want us klilling each other for god…our fanatics just as Muslims have theirs…we have to show the other side that we will reject the nuts on OUR side…to encouarage and give them incentive to reject the crazies on THEIR side…crazies are crazies..it matter little hose house they are in.
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>"æóÃóÚöÏøõæÇú áóåõã ãøóÇ ÇÓúÊóØóÚúÊõã ãøöä ÞõæøóÉò æóãöä ÑøöÈóÇØö ÇáúÎóíúáö ÊõÑúåöÈõæäó Èöåö ÚóÏúæøó Çááøåö æóÚóÏõæøóßõãú æóÂÎóÑöíäó ãöä Ïõæäöåöãú áÇó ÊóÚúáóãõæäóåõãõ Çááøåõ íóÚúáóãõåõãú æóãóÇ ÊõäÝöÞõæÇú ãöä ÔóíúÁò Ýöí ÓóÈöíáö Çááøåö íõæóÝøó Åöáóíúßõãú æóÃóäÊõãú áÇó ÊõÙúáóãõæäó" ÇáÃäÝÇá 60:8
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>"O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they

…this what Hanna was claiming too…that ONE of him can out fight 1000 of THEM. Where`s the big deal..what`s so damn alien about all of this? It is as if we were talking to OURSELVES..but in Arabic.

will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding" 8:

…again…the same thing plenty of Christians among us are saying. People…calm down.. Let`s keep law and order so we can get the criminals of any religion and any excuse they hide their bloodlust behind…There`s enough left, just barely, to begin to rebuild and build much better…but only we all reach out to each other and condemn all the criminals among us…starting with George Bush who lied to lead Americans to their deaths and killed thousands upon thousands of innocent children and their parents in hopes of making religious war among us for his profit.

Do as our ancestors did..not as our enemies want us to.



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