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Re: pro-life vs pro-choice...battle or words.
Posted by Parhad (Guest) - Friday, September 17 2004, 3:25:16 (CEST)
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>"What the pro-life people really advocate is more death. They are for the fetus, but against the mother who opts for killing her fetus...while the fetus dies regardless...whether abortion id legal or not..it is the so called "pro" life people whose policies would lead to MORE murder.."
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>You are so smart. You refrain calling a baby a human, but instead like all the libs who has to be poilically correct must call it a fetus. Well herew are some people who are brainwa aahh escuse me who agree with you.

..I called it murder..I said it is alive...I said it is a potential human and I gave you the legal definiton used by scholars and the Courts and the Law and all those people whom we`ve authorized to settle the issue...among whom you and I don`t count.

I also said it doesn`t matter that it`s human..I don`t care WHAT you want to call it...we`ve been through these pissant details before..whatever you call it..it gets KILLED...and we all HATE that..however, some of us would rather not the woman get killed too...is there something there so hard for you to understand?

Let`s try again...call the fetus humans..call it a FULLY developed human...call it Bob...get it an insurance policy, start a college fund for it...select it`s prom night outfit...get it a bicycle..okay? Do whatever you need to do to make us all weep tears till we wash our feet out from under us...okay? At the end of all that...I`ll remind you..with my tears flowing..that neither I not anyone else wants an abortion for the fun of it...but that since no one has found a way to stop women from having them...we decided it would at least save ONE life...another fully developed HUman life..if we made abrotion legal and saved the woman..I know you don`t like that..I know you feel the woman should be punished...I know you think this is your best shot at getting her for flipping her bare ass at yahwe..but we don`t care..we want LESS muders...not MORE...kay?
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>REDWOOD CITY, Calif. — Laci Peterson's fetus was expelled from her decaying body after her death, a forensic pathologist testified Thursday at Scott Peterson's murder trial.

..so what?
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>Dr. Brian Peterson, who performed Laci's autopsy, testified there was no evidence Laci had given birth prior to her death.

..so what?

>Her uterus had not returned to more of a normal size as is typical after a woman gives birth naturally, said Peterson, who is not a relation of either Laci or Scott Peterson.

..so what?
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>"That means Ms. Peterson was pregnant and the baby had not been delivered when she died?" asked prosecutor Dave Harris.
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>"That is my opinion," Peterson replied.

...okay.
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>Peterson said a cause of death could not be determined.
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>However, on cross-examination, Peterson acknowledged he could not determine whether the fetus had been born alive. He estimated its age to be 9 months.

..so what?
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>Prosecutors claim the fetus was expelled from Laci's decaying corpse, while defense attorneys say the baby was born alive and murdered later, which they say proves their client couldn't be the killer.

..lawyers say lots of things..some you like, some you don`t like...so what?
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>Autopsy photographs of Laci were displayed to the jurors on a white-wall screen Wednesday, while photos of her fetus were shown Thursday.
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>Laci Peterson's family was not in court either day, and has not been in court all week, as testimony led up to the display of the photographs. Scott Peterson looked down while the photos were displayed. His mother, Jackie, used a small notebook to shield her face from the larger-than-life images. His father, Lee, simply looked away.

...so what? Go to Iraq and see corpses if you like them so much.
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>Jurors winced and glanced away as they viewed the photos. At least two were visibly crying Thursday as they looked at images of the fetus' remains. Others squirmed in their seats or covered their mouths.

...you`re playing fast and loose again...a nine month old isn`t a fetus any longer...we all known that...you really must stop playign these games..at nine months old it`s a fully developed baby...it could have lived outside of its mother and supplied it`s own metabolic functions..it just needed help...many women have been murdered with babies inside of them..what the hell does this have to with women seeking an abortion? It would seem you`ve run out of even plausible ponts to amke..a nine month old isn`t a fetus...no one gets an abortion at ninbe months...not unless th mother is in imminent danger herself..we settled all that some time back..what do whimpering jurors have to do with anything? The naton has already spoken loud and clear..they prefer to have one murder rather than two..that`s the basis on which the decision was reached...and all the people whop reached would whimper too if the saw a dead baby...but they`d also whimper at the sight of a dead woman who died in her own blood as a result of an illegal abortion..that would bring a smile to your thin lips no doubt.
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>On Wednesday, Peterson said Laci's corpse was missing the head, neck, forearms, and part of her left leg, and her innards were exposed showing a rib cage and other bones speckled with barnacles.

...was she aborted? What`s the point to all of this...is it your style to just make people sick...at anything? Would you throw up on a ticket agent to make your point that the price was too high?
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>Peterson testified that two of Laci's ribs were fractured but he could not say whether the injuries came before or after her death.
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>"The only internal organ that was present was the uterus," Peterson told jurors. "I was limited by the fact there was so much of the body absent."

...okay.
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>Peterson said Wednesday he examined the remains for any signs that her extremities had been physically cut off, but could find nothing conclusive.

...alright
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>"For example, if a joint were taken apart with a knife or a saw, that would often times leave marks on the bone. There were no such marks," Peterson said.

...okay
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>He said the tides and currents in San Francisco Bay, or fish eating away at her flesh, could have caused the body to tear apart.

..there are no fish allowed in legal abortions.
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>He explained in detail how autopsies are performed by cutting open the chest and head and removing the organs.

...sounds about right.
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>"In this case, there was no brain to examine because the head was missing. There was no heart or lungs to examine because the chest was empty," he said.

..where were her car keys?
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>He said he could tell the woman had been pregnant by the size of her uterus, which had expanded to about 10 inches. It normally is the size of a golf ball, he said.

..okay...we all know she was pregnant and everything else you`ve pointed out has nothing to do with the abortion issue..everyone knows the fetus DIES..it isn`t news.
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>Peterson said the top of the uterus was open and there were no signs of a Caesarean section.

...clever fish.
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>"I determined the baby had exited through the top of the uterus," he said.

...okay...he had to get out SOMEHOW.
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>Prosecutors are trying to prove that Peterson killed his eight-months pregnant wife on or around Dec. 24, 2002, then dumped her weighted body into the bay.

..we know that...it`s been in all the papers for more than ayear..did you just find out?
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>The remains of Laci Peterson and her fetus washed up in April 2003 not far from the Berkeley Marina, where Scott Peterson says he launched his boat that Christmas Eve morning for a solo fishing trip.

...I`ve been there lots of times...I saw no abortion clinic.
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>Defense lawyers maintain that someone else abducted and killed Laci as she walked the couple's dog around the neighborhood after Peterson had left for his fishing trip.

...where`s the dog?
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>Earlier, prosecutors used an expert to attempt to show Peterson lied about a crucial element in the case when he told police he used cement mix to repair his driveway.

...lots of people lie..Paul does it regularly.
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>Prosecutors claim Peterson used the cement to make five anchors, one of which was found in his boat. The others, which they allege he used to sink his wife's body in the bay, have not been discovered.

..okay
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>Peterson told police he made only one anchor and used the remainder of a 90-pound bag of cement to repair his driveway. Jurors have also heard Peterson tell the same story to his dead wife's brother, Brent Rocha, on a wiretapped telephone call.

...are you bored?
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>However, a prosecution witness testified the concrete samples taken by police from Peterson's driveway did not match the concrete in the anchor discovered on the boat.

...what`s the weather like up your way?
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>Robert O'Neill, president of Micro-Chem Laboratories, which analyzed the concrete, said the material from the driveway was inconsistent with the material in the anchor.

...Hey...how about those Dodgers eh?
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>"This is a different mix," O'Neill told jurors.

...will you be at the next convention?
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>On cross-examination, defense lawyer Mark Geragos vigorously attacked O'Neill's findings, noting that the only difference in the two concrete mixtures is that the sample taken from the driveway contains large gravel-like chunks. All other components in both mixtures are identical, Geragos noted.

...I don`t know if I can make it...I`ll try though.
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>O'Neill acknowledged Geragos' assessment was correct but insisted the two concrete samples were from different mixes.

...are you married?
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>Geragos said Peterson simply poured the cement mix onto the driveway where the larger rocks already were and that's when the two mixed together.

...do you have sex?

>O'Neill disagreed.

...what do you do? I mean how do you do it and stay clean?
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>"The larger rocks were obviously mixed in with the material," O'Neill said, in defending his position.

...I just couldn`t imagine you truning anyone on...that`s all.
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>It's a key part of the prosecution case and could be powerful if it proves that Peterson lied about where the remainder of the cement mix was used, legal experts said.

..you do nothing for me at all.
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>"This lie is different than a lot of the other lies. This lie goes right to evidence in the case ... and goes right to consciousness of guilt," said Robert Talbot, a professor at the University of San Francisco School of Law, who has been observing the trial. "Now, he's lying about crucial evidence which is the prosecution's theory of how the body was weighted down."


...well, I can`t tell you how interesting that was...but what does it have to do with abortions and the fact that your pro-death movement wants to take us back top a time when women AND their HUMANS died? We`ve at least cut down on some of the murders...give us a little credit will you?



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