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Posted by parhad (Guest) - Friday, August 27 2004, 2:52:15 (CEST)
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Paul Younan wrote:
>The old Mesopotamian paganism was a far greater thing than your new. You are a neo-Pagan, not a Pagan. Paganism was the biggest thing in the world, and Christianity was bigger and everything since has been comparatively small - as your movements always will be.

...Christianity is the Murderingest thing in the world...is it time to remind you that you decide when it suits you to associate with BIG Chriatianity..when the rest of the time you're saying.."who, little old us"?

...You Christians might be the bigger if you stopped murdering each other...and the rest of us might grow if you stopped murdering us..I'm sure it didn't please Christians to learn that Islam is the fastest growing religion in AMERICA. Wouldn't THAT be a kick in the ass!
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>There were at least three components to the old paganism that made it far greater than your neo-paganism.

...oh and there was so much more that made it greater than your Christianity...I notice you dare not touch the very heart of your religion..this killing in order to benefit business, you enough to know you'd be slaughtered over it...everything else in it is shared by every human being on earth and was back then...just remember who you stole from.
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>The first is the sense of piety....the natural religious instinct to respect something greater than yourself.....the humility that instinctively realizes man's subordinate place in the great scheme of things.

...not the way you mean it...not at all. You're coming at this as an outsider..a smashing one at that...what you know you got from books..what we have we FEEL. The piety you think you know is not the same as yours..it does not make jelly of us..it does not make us into weeping/pissers who disgrace themselves when you let them in..who don't see anything marvelllous to be gained by smashing the sculptures of their hosts in their own home...and bragging about it...our piety is all for the Human Spirit as given to US to take care of on earth...it has nothing to do with the treacle and milquetoast you preach out of one corner of your mouthes to cow your "worshippers' and the howitzers that come out your arse if someone refuses your "love".


...Our place in the great sceme of things is to do the best damn thing we can for ALL our People HERE ON EARTH..this earth created by our Gods for us to prove ourselves worthy of their care and what they gave us..it is NOT a vale of tears to us, the best to be gotten away from as fast and as ignominiously as possible...go to.

>This natural modesty contrasts sharply with the arrogant attitude of neo-Pagans such as yourself.

..coming into our forum to brag that you will be smashing our art in a few days is your idea of humility?

Your neo-Paganism is the virtual divinization of mankind, the religion of man as the only thing that matters.

...not if that directive comes from God..and it did..for us. Go read OUR bible for a change...Gilgamesh learns THIS wisdom, that it is NOT man's part to meddle in these things for if he does he stands a chance of losing ALL that is dear, which the gods ALSO gave him, on earth..like his wife and children, whom you've been taught to abandon the first time things get rough for YOU...plus the care of your body and health and also your city and country and then world..all of them the gifts of the gods for our LIVES..not to be squandered as burnt offerings on a bloody altar to a mad god but at least ONE mad god!!!

Your aim is building a heaven on earth, in your own words, a secular salvation. Another word for it is Humanism, the religion that will not lift up its head to the heavens but stuffs the heavens into its fat head.

...we do not believe in SALVATION..unlike you we weren't born fit for drowning before we utter our first cry..we have no original sin or any other kind...we believe in living "right lives" as determined by what is conducive to good health and good cheer HERE...and not wait for your death and transformation into WHAT? You haven't the vaguest idea where all this crap of yours leads to...try explaining it you want to see what a fool sounds like.
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>A second ingredient of the old Mesopotamian paganism that's missing in your new is some sort of an objective morality. To ancient Assyrians, pagan as they were, moral rules were absolute: unyielding and unquestionable. Abortion was abhorrent in middle Assyrian law, given the nature of the being being killed.

...things change..even in their own lifetime the code of Hammurabi changed..and needs changing and updating regularly..we do not throw our ways away and go ruinning after those who offer greater prizes...the Eye for an Eye...Lex Talionis...was a vast improvement over what existed in previous "pagan" society when an eye ear nose and throat were required as payment...and we pagans see the need to change it yet again..a change that is long overdue as YOU Christians still want your ton of flesh for what YOU suffered.
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>This has all changed with you neo-Pagans. Your morals and principles are situational and pragmatic, and this is mirrored in your stance on abortion (despite your ancestors' abhorrence of it) and your willingness to deny who you are and your god at the whim of a Muslim with a set of plastic cutlery.

...my ancestros changed and evolved all the time..and we are here saying what we say now to prove it...if you don't mind we won't take your word for what we are. We are confident in ourselves above all else because our gods want us to gain that confidence through DEEDS...you notice we will NOT ban or delete these comments of yours...which is a far cry from what we could expect on your hollier than thou Christian HUMBLE forums.
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>Your neo-Paganism says WE are the makers of moral values. It not only finds the moral law written in the human heart but also BY the human heart. It acknowledges no divine revelation of any sorts, thus no one's values can be judged to be WRONG.

...we say we were put here to FIGURE IT OUT...by Gods who trusted and loved us..we were not placed here saddled with sins from times way past we had nothing to do with to be then kicked and pummelled and punished by a mad god for exercising the very things he claims he put there. The proof of the correctness of our choices in those regards would come in what kind of Life and city and family and nation and Empire we built....if we were damn fools and got it all wrong, we'd wind up on a goat turd encrusted hillside in Israel..if we got it right and found a way to bridle our passions..our god GIVEN passions..learned to exist with people who were different, learned to moderate our tendencies towards violence and greed and excess...learned to value our families and children and parents and respect our kings without grovelling..if we got being human RIGHT...we would know it by going to sleep each night in Nineveh while the Hebrews swept our streets for us...as a start on the long road to civilizing them.

...you can see what this Chriatian belief of your has done for you people..who are stuck like the Hebrews you got from saying WHEN Oh Lord..get us the fuck away from ourselves and the mess we've made it...and you were also taught to blame a devil or anyone else you could for YOUR fuck ups...we take responsibility..that's why we took the harder choice and tried to STOP the war that has our Christians runnign for their lives yet again because blowhards and fools put their faith in MEN/...American and British MEN and POLITICIANS and then blame the outcomes on a LORD...but the wrong one...as if Allah di this to them..as if Islam brought the United States to Iraq.
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>Neo-Paganism's favorite commandment is "judge not." The only judgment is the judgment against judging. The only thing wrong is the idea that there is a wrong. The only thing to feel guilty about is feeling guilty. And, since man rather than God is the origin of values, don't impose "your" values on me.

..that's absurd..I judge that you are a damn fool...I make all sorts of judgements..but I will NOT kill you or destroy your books because of it...neither will I stand by while a good woman of a diferent religion needs my help to restore her idol...I will help her as I would anyone..that is my Lord Ashur's lesson to me...as he helped us help OURSELVES.
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>This is really your religion — many gods, many goods, many moralities. No one, not even you, really believes in Ashur and Shamash and Ishtar any more. How can you possibly believe in a "god of war" who lost on his own battlefield?

....tell me some more what I believe,.,this is your Christian humility at work some more?
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>A third ingredient of the old Mesopotamian religion, but not of your neo-Paganism is the awe at something transcendent, the sense of worship and mystery. What the old Mesopotamian worshiped differed widely....almost anything from Marduk to a piece of shit — but at least he worshiped *something.* You worship nothing but yourself.

...we have that in abundance for what we can SEE that we know our gods PUT THERE...we do not fall on our knees..weep, recite mumbo jumbo and call that talking to GOD...do it today and you'll be locked up.
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>Your particular version of neo-Paganism is particularly dangerous in that it attempts to incorporate ancient Mesopotamian symbolism and appeals to an Assyrian's pride.....and it is dangerous not by opposing from without, but by infiltrating. A look at St. Mary's Assyrian Church in Los Angeles will give you a clear indication of this. Upon the holy altar lies the Assyrian flag, replete with the pagan images Shamash and Ashur together. On the Bishop's chair is inscribed the ancient symbol of Shamash.

...no sir..no more than that bloody psalm or your stealing our words to damn us in...those are symbols of the THEFT ot others and their total bastardization and lack of understanding.

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>Your neo-Paganism is much more clever than the old. It knows that any opposition from without, even by a vastly superior force like Tamerlane's, has never worked against us, for "the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church." The Turks learned that with Dawith, Khatoun and Yosip. The Romans learned it even earlier and decided to JOIN in and control the church rather than watch it grow and control IT. Your new neo-Paganism understands this cannot work anymore. Tamerlane tried and failed to wipe us out.

..neither are Christian armies easy to beat..yet our Assyrians in Iraq are trying their damndest.
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>So it uses the soft, suggestive strategy of the serpent in Eden....it whispers his very words: "Has God really said...?" It's so seductive, it's even snared a son of a Shamasha and gotten him to change the name he was given at birth. It appeals to your pride when it softly whispers "He knows you'll be like Him, knowing good from evil..."

...go play with your foreskin...you are SUCH an ass.
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>It is not a self-loathing on my part, nor even my disgust with some aspects of our ancestors history that is driving me to smash the idol on Saturday. It is this neo-Paganism of yours that I will be symbolically attacking as a protest against its infiltration of my Church.

...and we will attack and destroy nothing...we will think...we will decide for ourselves what "worshipping" Ashur means today,as he expects us to...and if we get it right, we'll know...and the first step is to see the fraud you Christians have perpetuated on us all these years...



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