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Re: Don't take my word for it..........Part 2

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Beth Suryoyo Assyrian (Othuroyo) Forum

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Written by ? on 06 Aug 2004 11:13:01:

As an answer to: Don't take my word for it..........Part 2 written by Tiglath on 06 Aug 2004 10:44:34:

They just showed this on CNN. Truthfully, Bush looks drained. I think he recently saw Moore's film and looks like he is falling into a depression or just too stressed. I was going to vote for Kerry and just hope that it counts this time and not a wasted vote like my vote for Gore.

While I have your attention. I have a question for you. I read how you and your little group hate Assyrian Christianity and you blame every Assyrian problem on it. I am perplexed.

...if you`re going to believe what every bunch of thugs tells you, you too will get drained...find out for yourself.

Do you realize that if those Assyrian Christians did not maintain their Christianity over the past 2000 years, then there would not be an Assyrian alive that would know that they are decendents from Assyrians for they would all think they came from nomadic Arab tribesman.

..that`s absurd. All you people kept was your Christianity...and tacked on the word "Assyrian" in hopes of getting something by it. You saved the CHURCH..and it USED us to survive.

...Very few Muslim Iraqis ever said they came from Arab tribes...Never: All they say is that their RELIGION came from Arab tribesmen like yours came fro Jew tribesmen..that`s all. YOU have chosen to take this as meaning any MUSLIM must be an Arab tribesman and therefore when Muslim Assyrians say they are also descended from the ancient people of BetNahrain, YOU think you have a clever argument..that Muslim ARAB tribesmen are saying THEY are Assyrian and thereby are wrong and ruining the "heritage"...and we are to be THANKFUL that you...who should be from Israel by your own proooves that people are that which their religion comes form...because AS A JEW you got YOUR hands all over us!

...The flaws in this nonsense are clear and obvious..which is the reason it gets banned...and the reason those thuggish boys say we must hate Assyrians and Christianity..because we show what hateful things Christians have done and continue to do to our Heritage..our Assyrian Heritage. `I`ve said often enough that I don`t believe you are Assyrians...so how does that prove I hate Assyrians?

A man who builds Assyrian Monuments with his own hands and money for 25 years does NOT hate Assyrians...he doesn`t even hate Christians...and neither do Muslims..we hate YOUR kind of lying, theiving and sneaky PEOPLE and would no matter what religion you hide behind.

I heard for my entrie life that I am Assyrian because of Christians...and I never believed it for a minute. It is a ridiculous argument. It is MUSLIM Assyrians who have those museums in Iraq..it is THEY who write the books and do the studies...and they ALL say that they are decendants of the ancient people as well...and NOT of Arab tribesmen..you put those words in their mouths..or take the word of your asshole priests and Aprims that they do. Dr Donny George was a Christian and a scientist and he and every other professional whose profession isn`t crying and lying...says that Islam is a religion that CAME to Iraq from Arabia..and it won CONVERTS from among the Assyrians there..as Christianity came from Israel and won converts...what you people hate is the idea that an Assyrian Christian girl will put her tongue down an Assyrian Muslim`s mouth...OR that an Assyrian would dare choose Islam over Christ,,you hate it so much you`d just as soon see that girl dead...as you want our Muslim Assyrians killed, by someone else, for you NEVER indulge in violence.

So all your group's talk of being the only Assyrians because you hate Assyrian Christianity,

...you are merely putting words in our mouths..which is all you ever do.

is quite preposterous for you only know you are Assyrian becuase those who sacrificed to keep their Christianity did not get Arabized and loose all knowledge of being Assyrian eventually through the generations.

...those who ran to Christianc countries to be FREE to be Christian are now looosing all their Assyrianism in a whitewash of Americanism and Europeanism and Kangarooism..their children, Jennifers and Scots, will soon not speak the language and drown in a sea of Christians...and then where is your "Assyrian" identity? You HAVE no Assyrian anything..you have merely tacked the word onto your Christian rituals...we know that because true to form you ACCUSE Muslim Assyrians of doing the same thing.

You saved CHRISTIANITY..you did nothing for the Assyrian Identity but misrepresent it and try to hijack it..after dumping the very essence of what it means to be an Assyrian..as your frigging Christ is the essence of being Christians...dump HIM and try to convince the world you are now REAL CHRISTIANS...for doing so...go on. Yet that`s precisely the nitwit argument and proooves you give for knowing you and ONLY you are REAL Assyrians..because you dumped Ashur for this Jew of yours..

..I didn`t take your word for it and I wouldn`t take anyone`s word for it...I felt it one day...and it helped me get over my distaste for what you Christians have done...or tried to do..I said YOU Christians..you specific ones who want us not to notice that you have asked Christians to go kill and destroy our Homelands based on just these sorts of lies and bullshit you`ve been spinning for years...it is YOU who hate us if we don`t believe in Christ..or the RIGHT Christ. Those of us who don`t buy any of you want the killing stopped because you are killing us ALL..regardless of our religious beliefs.

Something for you to ponder to try and break that brainwashed hatred of your groups.

..if we hated any of our people we would show it by begging Bush to go...to stay longer...to build military bases and to bring even MORE soldiers...we are not..we are telling him to get out..after having told him to not go..we are saying he has unleashed unprecedented violence our country never knew before.,...and in this we are repeating what the people of Iraq are saying themselves..that it is Bush who hates us and by extension anyone who would cheer him on and help spread his propaganda..as they do at aina and beth. YOU people must hate us...Muslims AND Christians to have wanted this war.

Lets all work together to find present and future solutions for all Assyrians and all Iraqis, instead of all this cockfighting.

..that`s the same thing they all say when they urge "unity"...it`s what the AANF and Nimrod say..because they know thay can break your heart with minutae and smother your energy in rallies...you can work with us any time you like..or work on your own to achieve sismilar goals..ours are to accept ALL our people and stop ALL divisiveness...and we can see and you can see and others can now begin to see that there was never any hatred between Muslim and Christian Iraqis..the hatred was YOURS for them...and soon you will be seen as the ones who brought hatred to all our people and want to get them hating each other so you`ll have the proooves you need to win hearts and minds when you scream..SEE...SEE...we TOLD you we can`t live with them...give us CHRISTLANDIA!

So I suggest you become the first peacemaker here since I have a feeling you have it in you. And for a change make a post that discusses solutions that are inclusive and cooperative to Iraqi Muslims and Christians, instead of arguing stuff that gets us no where.

..we are being inclusive..you are doing what they all do..twist speech into a pretzel...you have picked up on the key word we used to describe our ancients..."inclusive" and merely think to use it back at us anmd kill its provocative image..you people all do this...and never notice that I insert new words and use them over and over till YOU see it and think you found a word to use back at me. You are the ones who are not inclusive..so you decided to annoint yourselves with the word anyway...to take the good guy`s mantle...which you in no way deserve...you WANT divisions between Muslim and Christian...we want none. I hope they ALL start French Kissing and get married to each other and make beautiful babies...HORROORRRRSSS!!!

They are ALL our people and we show it by being outraged at ANY crime committed against them...we are so inclusive as to lump Bush and you with the madmen..all of them, who bring this violence on..whereas you ONLY blame Muslims and then are "inclusive" when you lump them ALL under one terrorist name...that`s the only time you have been "inclusive"..you are a liar like the rest making propaganda you hope will continue the slaughter and get even more of us killed because that`s the ONLY strategy you have for a Chritlandia..and it will be about as inclusive as Israel is.

Ultimately it is to your groups advantage, since if you notice there are NO atheists or Ashur worshippers in Iraq, only Christian minority and Muslim majority. And we all know it is because of religious intolerance in Muslim societies that any other religion gets wiped out, converted or driven out.

..you`re lying again..which was the whole reason you started out appearing to be reasonable and concilliattory SOUNDING at the start..it was a Front to sneak in the lies once we were "lulled" to silly stupor..like the "compliments" I get regulalrly as if I wanted a bone thrown to me... that just came..if recent events proved anything it is that Muslim Iraqis have always been supportive and tolerant..of course, they are Assyrians after all. Saddam was as pissed off at Muslim fanatics as he was at Christian ones and he locked BOTH up and hanged them equally...like the friends of the Muslim fanatics..you pals of the Christian ones elevated your criminals and nuts to near sainthood and martyrdom...as the Muslim nut jobs did...you LOVE their fanaticism and they LOVE theirs and we just saw that the majority of Iraqis blame you BOTH in equal measure although it is YOU Christian fanatics who invited a Christian country to come back you up...Muslim Iraqis would NOT invite a Muslim nation in to make themselves supreme..even NOW they won`t so it...this Resistance is one of Itaqi origin. Iraqis know whom to blame...YOUR Masters...that`s who.

So if you can help the Christians to live in peace there then you will help build a society open to other religions like your worship of Ashur.

...no one is living in peace there now..they were before...as we learned that for all these years you said they were being killed and massacreed and living in fear and BEGGING to be saved from Pasha Bob in 897 AD...they were living right NEXT DOOR to Christian churches and had friends among Christians and NO ONE there was worried at all....which is a Truth that KILLs you and ROBS you of the proooves you need to save Jesus and get a Christlandia...for your agenda to work there has to be discord and violence in all of Iraqi society but expecially does there have to be MADE to exist hatred and violence and fear between our Christian Assyrians and Muslim Assyrians...there simply HAS to be or you won`t get Christlandia...because with peace and harmony in Iraq..as there always was between the PEOPLE and NOT the thugs the CIA planted...we would have the ENTIRE contry and Jesus would remain a minor god..which you HATE the idea of and by extension will HATE those people, Muslim but ESPECIALLY Christian, who allow such a "sin". And you will INDEED set them up so they have NO CHOICE but to realize their "folly" and come JOIN you and be one unified bunch of motherfuckers...and you`re frantic now cause them pictures of Christians and Muslims are flooding the world...what WILL you do..you just had a Peace and Love SCARE!!!

If Christians get eliminated from Iraq like your group predicts, then your revitalization of worship of Ashur along side with Islam, does not have a hope in helll!

...no one there ever wants to eliminate Christians...you don`t live in peace next door to a "hated" symbol of what you want to "eliminate"...YOU would love to eliminate Islam from Iraq as you`ve said often enough...but you`ll settle for Christlandia...Muslims have ALWAYS said you were welcome to enjoy your minority religious status in peace..it is YOU who want a religious war and pushed and pushed and pushed for all the retaliation you could bring down on innocent Christians...ones your Clergy set up SINCE BIRTH to do their dirty work for them..like any mad mullah in a madrassah in Pakistan has done all these years...."All or NOTHING", you BOTH say, as Hanna and the others keep saying they`ll destroy it ALL if they can`t have their Christian way.

...we don`t "worship`" the way you do..we don`t weep and beg favors and issue fire from our arse...we WORK for the preservation and enhancement of Iraq and ALL of its people...as Ashur taught his people to do when it was Assyria and a whole bunch of other names...who taught us to WORK for the advancement of ALL his people there...the oldest and the newest...and build a towering Bab il made of many many voices and langauges and god and people...and your Christian god is as welcome as any other...but we don`t buy his I AM THE ONLY ONE or you DIE nonsense..that was never a part of Ashur...it`s Hebrew all the way.

Think about it. If you are sincere in your ideas on Ashur, then you will realize that your views on religious intolerance in Iraq, only hurt your cause.

...religious intolerance is what you are hoping to bring with you from America...it was not a part of Iraq...we know that because THAT is what pissed you off...you saw our Christians and Muslims mingling freely and, horrrors!!!, even marrying and fucking...and your INTOLERANCE for even a SISTER who would marry WRONG and be TOLERANT of her husband`s religion drove you to a frenzy so you want your Christlandia where you can have ONE GOD and he can be yours. Christians have killed more Christians over the ages than anyone else..go bacl 1300 years in Christian history and see how many Christians were putting to death other Christians..yet Jassim says only Muslims were killing people.

All the crimes you wish on Iraqi society you glosss over by re-packagng them in our words ABOUT your crimes..thinking thereby you`ll kill the power in those words by smearing them with your hatred and deceit,,that the words will BECOME deceitful when we use them after you misappropriate them because YOU use them deceitfully. Go away with you...you aren`t dealing with children here or Christians...we are Assyrians...and you never met one before.

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