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Re: Finally I got cursed at by Parhad ... Just for being Assyrian

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Written by Javier on 18 Jul 2004 22:33:44:

As an answer to: Re: Finally I got cursed at by Parhad ... Just for being Assyrian written by Tiglath on 18 Jul 2004 16:55:14:

>Assyria is not occupied it's lost it's culture and adopted a different identity that includes a pseudo mix of Perisan, Arab and Ottoman elements that today identifies itself as Kurdish. Our heartland is still occupied by people of Assyrian descent but who identify themselves as Kurds.

You are missing the fact that those others are more distant to Assyrian identity than those who are Christians, where only the Christians are identifying themselves with their ancient names and all the rest had completely lost it.

...you people do talk a lot...we`ll grant you that. But in the absense of anything you DO as Assyrians...and all you DO as Christians...such as build only more churches when you get to the West and are "Free"...free to be what? Assyrians..or Christians, we`ll discount your Assyrian TALK. Talk won`t get you anything anywhere..it`s something so basic you still haven`t learned. The Muslim Assyrians have 1300 glorious years under an Islamic Empire that was the greatest of its day...they have lots MORE to be proud of than you do...do you still talk to your wife of your first girlfriend, or have you gotten over it by now?

With your logic we who identify ourselves as Assyrians should follow the lost majority and identify ourselves as Arab, Kurds, Persians, Turks etc. what a screwed up logic of the blind leading the blind.

...your vision is REAL good.

>.....In the words of Gandhi I love your Christ but I hate your Christianity. I respect him as much as I respect Nietzche or Decarte.

Islam which is the religion of all the others was not the religion of ancient Assyria either, let's see you attack Islam the same way you attach Christianity, then you will be considered a fair man, if the Moslems allow you to survive.

...Islam made BetNahrain great again...Christianity was dividing it and the opposing sides were tearing at each other...as your sects still do.

>Now if YOU were a astrong Assyrian you'd reveal your true identity and argue with me til we dropped.

A cheap tactic so he and Fred Parhad can take your name and chew it in a vulgar way on Parhad's forum the way he has been doing to other people who use their names.

...I thought you Christians were all LIONS for Christ....the stories you tell indicate there is NOTHING you wouldn`t endure for Christ...and you claim you want a triangle surrounded by hostile Muslims...and you`re afraid of Parhad?

David, what's your problem you and Parhad, you can't discuss ideas in their abstract form and you need the name so you can shoot the messenger?

...how do we know Javier is your real name? You are anonymouse people WHATEVER name you use.

It is a dirty game that you two are playing and we can play it too if we want to, but we try to make our discussion more civilized without personal insults.

...well it`s good of you to do that...but this response comes as a response to the usual thing some people do...the thing that`s worked for them in the past...it is THEY who have slimed countless people because as you can see, they really can`t make an argument stick...just read your board and you`ll find insults enough...they just can`t make it work for them any longer...so we`re even on insults..yet they STILL make no sense anywhere...

>Stop putting words into my mouth. I never said that I wanted us to be Dihmmis.

You will be by defacto.

...and you aren`t Assyrians defacto OR dejure

>I said logic dictates that we will only get equal status in Iraq IF we are loyal to the people of Iraq.

Iraq is an invading and colonizing country that has Assyria under its occupation.

...no, that`s America.

>Period. Meanwhile you and these other Pythagorus' want to carve out their own triangle

Are you dumb or pretending to be one? What about the area that the Kurds have already carved? What about the map of greater Kurdistan? Oh I am sorry their's is not a triangle, so it is allowed!

...any theft is allowed..ask the Europeans who stole America. If you could steal Kurdistan away from them...and keep it, you`d be entitled to call it Assyria..if the Kurds steal it, they can call it what they want..if the Jews steal Palestine, they can call it Israel..if the Basques could steal Spain, they could call it whatever they want. You have NO legitimate claim, but you`re missing the point, surprise !...you don`t get ANYTHING by crying and whining and holding up your dead Jesus...you get countries by stealing them from their current owners...if the Kurds pull it off, they will have joined the community of nations..most of them stolen from people before them..how do you think Assyrians got their empire? No one will give you anything and you know it..you also know none of you will go there and take anything...you make these wild ass claims so you can look better as you do your real dirt, which is to call on Christian nations to kill our people for taking Muhammad over Jesus...which you make into a "war to get a homeland"...run along with you...your silly agenda is showing.

>and welcome the American invaders in to help kill our neighbours in Iraq.

Sure Assyrians welcomed the Americans, the only Assyrian that didn't welcome the American were the agents of the Saddam Baathi regime, and the masochist Assyrians who love to be tortured and persecuted.

...27,000 Assyrian Christian parents would have their children today had your guests not invaded Iraq...you`ll do anything to get Muslim Assyrians killed...even if it means killing your own.

Allow me to refresh your memory for a moment, and remind you that it was the Kurds who were the most vocal and most active in supporting and welcoming the Americans. Additionally the Kurdish peshmarga fighters were used to attack Sunni Arab Iraqis in Falluja, and Shiite Arab Iraqis in Karbala, and it was the Kurds who looted and vandalized Iraqi houses, museums and banks in the north, yet I don't hear a word from you or Fred Parhad attacking the Kurds.

...they will live to regret it. They got used the same way the Levies did..they too have recent examples of Christian treachery they could have learned from..they too gambled and lost...and they will lose again. Not unless America sees a benefit to it from a Kurdish rebellion and Iraqi Civil War...we trusted and lost, so did the Kurds..they`re playing with fire again and hoping they won`t get too badly burned...this is what this ethnic nonsense does everywhere..we are one people, one Race, and can easily be one ethncity...which is the only path to Peace..if not now, then some day...you people are a throw back to other times...this is one more last fling of an already discredited bit of fluff that`s merely costing millions of lives and losses of every kind...and we`ll wake up to that fact in BetNahrain as the Europeans and Americans did decades and centuries ago...which allowed them to use ALL their people...and kick the butts of those of us still in a Dark Age of PURE BLOOD.

>....We have no right to object to Tariq Aziz accepting Arab nationalism. We are just as influcence by American nationalism. Wasn't it the AUA who designed an Assyrian flag with red, white and blue? They're not traditonal Assyrian colors.

Are the true colors Red Green and Yellow the Kurdish colors that are flying on Assyrian territories now?

...that wasn`t the point.

Tiglath, in order to be credible, and taken seriously, there is no problem in criticizing Assyrians, but you need to do it without personal; insults, or insulting their believes,

...he`s never insulted your persons...as for your beliefs..you are the touchiest people alive..if one questions, YOU get "insulted"...that may work elsewhere as a valid way to stop discussion..but not with us. Anyone`s beliefs are fair game...he hasn`t insulted you by calling them into question..nothing puts your beliefs above scrutiny..this is born again nonsense, a tricky way to avoid examination...by crying about being insulted when your beliefs are an insult to human intellgence to begin with.

additionally and most importantly, you should criticize Kurdish and Arab Moslems too, if you allow (or keep a closed eyes towards), the wrong doings of Arab and Kurdish Moslems and bitch at Christian Assyrians only, then automatically you will be looked upon as biased.

...you should criricize American Christians for what they have done and are doing in 14 years of an illegal war with NO justification whateoever and NO interest in anyone`s welfare but their own..you should criticize the murder of 27,000 Assyrian children under the age of five starved to death by YOUR American liberators and not JUST two killed by Muslims..until you do that your claim to represent ALL Assyrians..never mind the Muslim Assyrian children murdered....but just the 27,000 Christian ones...is at least as suspect.

We did not see you or your master Fred Parhad, attacking or denounce the actions of the Moslem Kurds and Arabs who looted Iraqi museums and destroyed our heritage,

...they didn`t do it as Kurds...if they did any of it they did so as individual criminals. The only PEOPLE who, as a whole, attacked and looted those museums were the Americans, who`ve never failed at finding local thugs. It is the Americans who destroyed what Saddam and the Iraqi people built and preserved for ALL Iraqis to benefit from....it was an Assyrian, Dr Donny George who was working and preserving just fine in all those years the Muslims were there...who had his work wasted by the Americans..the Americans who are adept at finding puppets and getting them to be the focus of blame..the whole world sees these people as puppets and outside thugs in America`s employ..that`s what your discredited agenda leads to in the end..you have none of the means of shielding yourselves and changing the subject and blaming puppets when a new administration takes over as the Americans or Brits do..instead your words, begging for even more destruction and insisting it`s Liberation..will ring hollow and bloody through the ages...you are again exposing our people to retaliatioon just because you like the sound of these ridiculous proooves and names and demandses that roll so sweetly off your tongue where there are no consequences to pay... and only manage to get more of us killed as the years wear on.

you did not attack them when they looted banks, and destroyed public property, do you condone that?

...do you condone the United States attacking Iraq for 14 years and destroying the entire infrastructure of a country? Do you condone the starvation and misery and death brought to 500,000 Iraqi children, 27,000 of them Christian children? Why have you kept silent?

If you do, is that the role model of Assyrianism that we are preaching? (i.e. imitating Moslem Kurds and Arabs)?

,,,,they are all following American examples.

Hell, according to you and Parhad, Christian Assyrians should join the Moslem Arabs and Kurds and start destroying museums, public buildings etc.

...you know that isn`t the case at all...we`re talking about expelling the occupiers so the nation and its people stand a chance. Your arguments only serve to strengthen ours...you are Christians seeking the murder of our people and lying in any way you can to hide your agenda under the pay of your Christian Masters...and there aren`t many sensible arguments you can provide to cover the stench...so you accuse us of these fanciful thing to cover the fact that the only people attacking and occupying and murdering innocents in Iraq...are the same Christians who`ve been doing it all along...but its good we forced you to come out in the open..let people decide for themselves...that`s all we wanted.

I think you are sending the wrong message.

...we think you sent the wrong Liberators.

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