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Eden Naby...they say.
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Written by hm on 10 Jul 2005 22:23:31:

In response to a commentary titled "Islamic Women Rise Up" ( http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0629/p09s01-cojh.html )published in the Christian Science Monitor newspaper, on 29 June, Dr. Eden Naby - an Assyrian research scholar and activist at Harvard University writes the following: "As right as Hughes is in his analysis of the changing attitudes of Muslim women toward their second-class position, he ignores, as do most feminists and experts on the Middle East, the doubly deplorable condition of non-Muslim women living in Muslim-dominant societies. Assyrian women - Christians who have resisted conversion to Islam for 14 centuries in such countries as Iraq, Iran, Turkey, and Syria - are subjected not only to laws that discriminate against women, but also to laws that discriminate against non-Muslims."

...I'd like to think Eden didn't say such a stupid thing. It shows you how tthis religion bullshit can unhinge even someone as otherwise bright as she is.

..in the first place no Muslim has been trying to convert Christian women to Islam for 1300 years. These are myths all of our Edens received as babes in the hairy arms of the church. No Islamic country has tried converting Christians...only Christian nations ever practised forced conversions. If she is refering to Iraq she is doubly wrong...under Saddam (AND in Iran under the Shah) women were far more liberated than they are in many a Christian community...say in Utah, for example where Mormons still marry young girls into their harems.

..Christian women in Muslim countries are condemmed and executed in effigy by their own families if they dare love and marry a Muslim...a Christian woman would need to mix in the world, get close to Muslim men, if she was to advance...and no Christian man would tolerate such a thing...therefore for their own safety and self-respect they have to stay in the background...and you can see what they could endure in Iraq for being too independent and mixing freely in Muslim society by seeing what these Christian dogs do to their women in AMERICA whenever they think they're losing control over them.

..the most backward countries in the MidEast in this regard are the dictatorial "monarchies" the Western Christians created and maintain...as well as the newly ruined Muslim countries such as Iran and Iraq and even Afghanistan who've seen American intervention lift the most backwards elements in those countries to the top positions.

...Would Eden like to live in an America ruled by Pat Roberson or Jerry Falwell...or the most reactionary elements in the Baptist Church...who declared at a recent world-wide conclave that women must return to the rule of their husbands?

..I prefer to think Eden was taken out of context...besides which...raking these old chestnuts over the fire wheile at the SAME TIME the country she pays her taxes to and defends is KILLING the women and girls of Iraq and blasting the women AND men into the Dark Ages is very...well, it's very Christian of her...but of no help to the people on the ground.

...women in Iraq were becomming freer and more liberated under Saddam and at a faster pace than they EVER did in Christian countries...women graduated medical school and entered the professions starting way back in the 20s...Christian women as well. Every nation needs to lift itself at its OWN rate...certainly we can try to speed the process up where we can through peaceful means and cultural exchange...but this war is meant to stifle change and growth, for all the usual Christian hypocrisy.

...they still practise female circumcision in parts of Muslim Africa...I wish they would stop this abominable practise...but it is no worse a case of mutilation than the male circumcision still practised in this most "advanced" nation of ours...a barbaric ritual carried over from barbaric Hebrews...something which has no place in modern societies yet is carried on in hospitals by people who should know better. No one need cast any stones at anyone else...we all suck.

Just leave Iraq alone to untangle itself...the region was well on its way to joining the modern era....with the wealth they EARNED being used increasingly to benefit the people, in such countries as Iran and Iraq...and guess who ruined it?

..Think a little next time Eden...don't lend your voice to the destruction of BetNahrain and the demonizing of the wonderful people there.



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