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Re: Brain Spew
Posted by Kris K. (Guest) statement@assyrianconvention.com - Tuesday, October 19 2004, 5:15:51 (CEST)
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>Chaos and Order are two separate ideas. After mankind part took in
>ideology (the study of ideas/notions), then a distinction emerged
>between chaos and order. One can argue that social/civil order is or
>isn't the same as natural order. It all depends on the ideology being
>expressed. Such an ideology which addresses issues like order and
>chaos, must then hold an understanding of morality.
Hmmm...I think your agreeing or maybe your not. Social/Civil order in my opinion is the same as natural order. Civilizing is natural in our evolutionary process.

>As such, a desire for order is what produces law. After law is
>implimented, then comes order. Therefore, law begets order, not the other
>way around. Likewise, law does not beget morality. Morality exists
>irrespective of law. This all goes back to the fundamental ideology
>developed in the beginning.
Cities bore after the first agricultural and technological advancements. The first civilization arose when two farmers agreed to barter crops. You cannot have law without some order. Therefore, order begot law. Law was put in place to protect those who wanted to keep order.

>Further, morality does not begat religion. Religion, while typically
>tied to morality, can exist with or without morals. Religion is
>simply an ideology that involves worship of deity. More often than
>not, morals exist within the context of religion--morals themselves
>however do not begat religion.
Hypothetical but fair enough...

>Religion does not beget government. Religion has begotten certain
>types of government: those are called theocracies. Government is
>begotten by those who write and enforce law. Therefore, government
>begets law.
Hypothetical. The first law enforces were priests.

>Here is what your process should look like:
>Ideology begets notions of things (order, morality, government, etc.)
>To create order, one establishes government. Therefore, the desire
>for order begets government. Government writes and enforces law, that
>maintains and discerns the ideology of the governors.
Thanks...

>What came first the chicken or the egg?
>Moot,. hypothetical arguement
Right...

>This depends on the religion and the government and is by no means
>applicable to all.
OK...so it is applicable to most.

>Example:
>Buddhism is an ideology (Eastern Philosophy) that is not religious
>which opiates people.
OK. Although it does contain supernatural concepts and like all other religions is suggestive.

>You don't need an agent or middle man. Aside from necessary organs,
>you need nothing. Yet even if all things outside our consciousness
>are figments of our consciousness, we obviously need them or else we
>would not recognize the existence of this world.
Right. Organs are necessary for life. Those figments are what make up personal spirituality. They are acquired. Religion is forced and not necessary for God.

>This could be a thesis, it needs support
Religion in itself is suggestive. Children are handed down religious beliefs. They are definitely not acquired. Religion up until now was not an option, but mandatory. There isn’t freethinking. Free thinkers were always persecuted and told they were communists, anarchists, etc. Your example of Buddhism was pretty good you should consider it.

>If all things are outdated, that includes your thesis here.
Christianity will prove to be outdated with our children and/or grandchildren, which grow to reject religion, and at an alarming rate. I will let time be the proof.

>I cannot conclude that you are or are not unless you are the Aunty Christ:)
Lat time I checked I was not, but I do oppose the concept of Christianity. So I guess I am.



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