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Re: Ken Crusader
Posted by Tiglath (Guest) - Monday, May 30 2005, 12:07:44 (CEST)
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.Dear Ken, my answers follow.

Dear David,

Now I fully understand why we do not have a country. I have never experienced this kind of `self-flaggelation`.

..We have a country and its called Iraq. What we dont have is a Christian country which is what you actually are referring to and that will never happen since the majority of the descendants of the ancient Sumerians, Babylonians and Assyrians have converted to Islam.

It is we the Christian minority who need to finally accept this and work alongside our Iraqi brothers and sisters to rebuild a united Iraq free from foreign interference.

I do not understand the reason for it. It simply breaks my heart. Why would you put our own history and heritage down?

The comments I make about Islam are not from outsiders but from `moslems` themselves who are stuck in the terrible system and cannot get out.

Could you explain to me why in the world you would honor the koran by which our people were murdered by the thousands?

..I will neither honor nor dishonour the Bible or the Koran. I merely state what is factual. You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free, unfortunately you knowingly used a statement in which the Koran preaches death to infidels to mislead other Assyrians into believing that Islam is against them.

It defies my understanding, but if there are people that think this way it must be addressed. Do you suggest that we need to become moslems as happened to our people in China and much of Asia under threat of death?

.I never stated that anyone should convert or change any of their religions. My point which Ill state again is that people in glass houses should not even think about throwing stones.

It might be good to read the whole passage over. It does not say what you are saying it says. It is simply the prayer and anger of the Jewish People towards the Babolyonians who had taken them captive.

.So the Koran quotes about infidels which you used to mislead us are actually correct BUT a quote from our very own Bible is actually incorrect?

To make something more of it is not correct at all. There is no such deep meaning in the verses. They are common throughout scripture and if you think of it very normal for those taken from their land.

Im not arguing about what the Jews think of our ancestors. Im arguing that its shameful that we still take pride in having converted to a religion in which our very ancestors are so demeaned. Im arguing about us reading out in our churches scriptures in which our new God demands that we please him by dashing the heads of our children onto rocks.

Could you kindly let me know more of your logic and reason for feeling bad about our history and heritage and seeming to honor the koran and moslems.

I want to understand your logic and thoughts.

Thank you.



Dear David,

Could you also explain a little to me why you would use the Bible?

David, as in all writings the context is what determines the meaning. The context is the Jews mourning their being taken captive to Babylon.

It is nothing more than that. It does not refer in any way to `pleasing a Jewsish God by dashing heads of our Babylonian children`.

9 Happy shall HE be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

..This Psalm is a song sung to their god Yawheh by the Jews during their exile. The same god we pray to in our churches today. So Im sorry but it really does refer to the pleasing of our new God by dashing our Babylonian childrens heads against stones.



Please read the whole chapter and the verses again. It is a simple mourning for being taken captive and normal anger at those who took them captive.

More than that, please help me understand your logic and thinking. I want to understand this view.

Dear David,



Thank you!



I think I am starting to get it.



You are concerned mainly because of the use of this verse in the liturgy of the Assyrian Church of the East? Is this right?



If so what context is it used in? Could you help me with so we can answer Mary`s and apparently a lot of peoples questions?



You want me to bother with the context of the Psalm 137:8-9 when you arent even prepared to concede that your Koran quotes - besides being taken out of context - were used to deceive us into thinking that the Koran was referring to the killing of Christians (i.e. infidels.)?



Also, as to the Bible being anti-Assyrian! As I sent to you earlier, it is the exact opposite. In the Bible the Assyrians are Gods chosen people from the time of Jonan all through scripture.



..Unfortunately our religion is anti-Assyrian. The name Assyrian (Ashuraya) means a worshipper of the god Ashur. We cant worship Ashur and Yawheh at the same time.



Could you help me understand this logic?



I sat in Baghdad with a direct descendent of Mohammed and she said this to me `the moslem religion is evil. Donft let people tell you otherwise. I know! Just a couple days ago an inman came to our house and demanded to my mother that all the girls in the house start wearing the veil and stop working. My mother shooed the evil man off our property. That same afternoon on my way home from work the same inman grabbed me and tried to drag me into his place.



I have written this in a piece called `The Dark Mine` at www.assyrianchristians.com



Can you help me, David, understand the reason that you think like this? It appears there are others that think so too and I am trying to understand why people would put down their own people and heritage and defend the very one that has decimated their people.



I am trying to understand the logic.



What should I tell my Grandfather who woke up in the middle of the night all his life screaming at the memory of the moslems coming into our village slaughtering all who were there.



My grandfathers both died fighting the Kurds and the Iranians. Yet despite this emotive argument it should not distract us from the truth. Our grandfathers did the best they could at the time with the limited knowledge at their disposal. I expect us with the information at our disposal to be far better and logical than they were.



I went to my village and was shocked to find a Christian village with a huge mosque and only 17 residents left.



I want to understand.



Thanks



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