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Re: Ken Crusader
Posted by Tiglath (Guest) - Tuesday, May 31 2005, 17:25:10 (CEST)
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>>>My responses are below.
………..I’m glad you agree with me that Ken was wrong for not only taking the Koran out of context but for thinking that we’re ignorant enough to believe that infidels refers to Christians. However I don’t think we should ban him despite his extremist views. Let’s welcome him and use fact to prove that his views are in fact wrong and quite frankly dangerous given the current climate within Iraq.
C-no, no.. i think you misunderstood what i was trying to point out, I think the Koran has many evil verses, and i think the email we received the other day pointed many horrible verses about their viewpoints towards women. I actually don't think Pastor Ken has extreme views at all. I think the way he explained the verse you pointed out was right on (Psalms).
>>>Fact. At the time the Koran was written the term infidel was used to refer to pagans but not people of the book who were considered Jes and Christians. Ken not only knew this but he deliberately sexed up these quotes to incite religous hatred and intolernace towards Muslims. If that's not being extreme then what is?
>>>> As for Psalm 137:8-9 that's another quote, this one from our Bible, that he has taken out of context. First he tried to convinve you that the prayer was not directed at the Jewish and our god Yawheh. Then went that didn't work he tried to gloss over this quote as an inaccurate quote used more for historical purposes rather than being an actual commandment. And after it was pointed out to him that our Syrian Orthodox Church continues to read this serom out in our church to our children up to this very day he became silent and started looking around for someone to bail him out.
Actually, what I was trying to say was it's good we question ourselves-our beliefs, etc. I am a Christian, and I feel God and Jesus in my heart, as crazy as this may sound to some....However, I, like you, analyze everything before believing in it. One of my concerns were the crazy verses in the Old Testament... they;re off the wall! However, I do believe Jesus taught us to live by love and forgiveness. So, I agree with ken's views-I don't think they are wrong. I don't see this in other religions. I actually think the Koran is very evil, and is amazes me how moderate Muslims try to sugar-coat what their book says.
>>>Why don't I use your own rope to hang you? Does not the ninth commandment clearly state "Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbour?" I contend that if you or anyone else for that matter uses the killing of infidels quotes from the Koran as evidence of crimes committed against Christians then you are in clear violation of the ninth commandment.
All I was trying to say was I think we should debate with a point, a reason, a goal. I think some replies to Pastor Ken was so belittling, mocking, and were negative personal attacks.
>>>I think Ken's assumption that we don't know what the meaning of the word infidel is also belittling and mocking.
Debates should raise all points in scrutiny. I just think we need to be open-minded when listening to each other. I hear where you are coming from, David. Believe me, I do. I just am confused, as Pastor Ken is, on what your goals are for our people.
>>>It's not my goals that should be questioned.
I just feel like your points have a tone which is very anti-Assyrian, and very anti-Christianity.
>>>Psalm 137:8-9 wants our childrens' heads dashed on rocks and when I point that out I am Anti-Assyrian?
>>>Ken deliberately bared false witness against Muslims and tried to cultivate hatred and violence AND I'm the one who's anti-Christian?

Also, some points are personal attacks. I mean, you responded to me, stating, I don't want people to think at all. That's a total ASS-umption. Believe me, I absolutely love to debate religion and politics with everyone!!! I get soooo upset when people don't think, and believe everything they hear. I live in NYC, which is totally liberal. New Yorkers lived through September 11th, and yet, the hillbillees in the South determined the fate of our nation for the next 4 years. They have no idea what it is to live through an attack on our city. Yet, they vote for a man who claims to be Christian, and goes killing people in the name of the Lord?? This kills me...Let me expand on your points below...... so, i just feel you are being very open-minded to a person who just doesn't want to be hear another viewpoint. i actually think it's great to bring up "negative" points in the Bible and our history. nothing in life comes easy, and nothing should be sugar-coated. i just feel there has to be a positive motive to shed light on issues, no matter how horrible they may be. if the only motive of such an individual is to mock the other person or make alot of noise with no substance nor goal at hand, it's so counter-productive. \
>>>I must admit I am impressed by your opinion despite it being wrong. Unlike Ken you actually came out and confronted my views and were willing to debate point after point without fear.

>>>Good night,
Tiglath



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