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Re: Uniquely Christian
Posted by Paul Younan (Guest) - Wednesday, October 20 2004, 4:37:27 (CEST)
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>>Paul Younan wrote:
>>>Despite Parhad's insistance on reducing it to "self-sacrifice", the fact remains clear. The Christian religion is the only religion which portrays the Creator sacrificing Himself for the sake of His creation.
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>...it doesn't show that at all..it shows the father god killing his own son..

Once again, your words reveal your lack of education and your stupidity sticks out like a sore thumb. Let us edumacate you a little on the basics of the Christian religion:

ZECHARIAH 12:10 "Then I will pour out a spirit of grace and prayer on the house of David and the residents of Jerusalem, and they will look at Me whom they pierced. They will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only child and weep bitterly for Him as one weeps for a firstborn." (God makes it clear that it will be Him whom "they" will "pierce."

ISAIAH 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, the everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

MICAH 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, {though} thou be little among the thousands of Judah, {yet} out of thee shall he come forth unto me {that is} to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth {have been} from of old, from everlasting.

MATTHEW 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. (The devil was tempting Jesus Himself.)

MATTHEW 13:13-15 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. (14) And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: (15) For this people's heart is waxed gross, and {their} ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with {their} eyes, and hear with {their} ears, and should understand with {their} heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

JOHN 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

JOHN 10:30-33 I and {my} Father are one. (31) Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. (32) Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? (33) The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

MATTHEW 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

COLOSSIANS 1:15-19 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: (16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether {they be} thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (17) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. (18) And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all {things} he might have the preeminence. (19) For it pleased {the Father} that in him should all fulness dwell.

MATTHEW 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him...(Jesus is worshipped)

MATTHEW 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

MATTHEW 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

MATTHEW 9:18 . . . there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, . . .

MATTHEW 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him...

MATTHEW 20:20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping {him}, . . .

MATTHEW 28:9 . . . And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

MATTHEW 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

MARK 5:6 . . . he ran and worshipped him.

LUKE 24:52 And they worshipped him, . . .

JOHN 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

I can go on and on....shall I?

>>>That is what is unique to Christianity. No other religion portrays God in the same manner. Let me state it again: Christianity is the only religion EVER which tells us that God sacrificed Himself for us.
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>...he did not. It is absurd. You might as well say Donald Trump became ONE OF US because he came down from his tower to panhandle for ten minutes...it was a sham...Jesus was a god..if he wanted to pretend and dress up like a mortal...he still wasn't being killed for real...it was a game..a trick played out by that arch Trickster of all time.

I did not ask you whether you to believe it or not. You can choose not to believe it, that is obviously your choice. The fact remains, whether you believe it actually happened or not, that Christianity is the only religion EVER which tells us that God sacrificed Himself for us.

If you'd like to contest the point, then point to another religion which has the same belief.

>...Besides which you can't explain why sacrifing "for us" would make us any better..it sure as hell didn't improve YOU any..you still support an illegal war in which countless innocent people have also been "sacrificed"...once you feed on human blood and the murder of Innocents, you can never get enough....if eternity is worth murder certainly petroleum is too.

More meaningless hyperbole and rant. This has nothing to do with your original challenge. You asked what was unique about Christianity - I answered and challenged you right back to show any other religion in which the central belief is a God who sacrificed Himself for the sake of His creation.

I'm waiting. If you don't answer, then you will have by default admitted that the uniqueness of Christianity is the teaching that God sacrificed Himself for the sake of His creation.

>>>If Parhad can point to another religion which has a substantially similiar concept as its core, then I would be interested in hearing about it.
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>...it is of NO value..this core you're so happy with.

Your challenge had nothing to do with your approval or whether or not you think it is of any value.

Your challenge was for me to show what was unique about Christianity. This I have done. Unless you can show another religion that has its God sacrificing Himself for the sake of His creation, I've answered you and you should be honest to yourself and the rest of us and admit what the rest of us already know.

I've chosen to ignore the rest of your rant and rave since it is more useless hyperbole that has nothing to do with your original challenge. Once you have the courage to admit that I've demonstrated that the central belief of Christianity is unique among all other religions, then I can go along the road and explain how you are wrong about the Qurbana. Until then, you are a babe and are not ready to handle solids yet.

-Paul



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