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Pancho wrote: >...and this is the corollary..." Muslims of Syria and Mesopotamia are Not Arabs Either" >...but how come any Muslim in Mesopotamia is called an Arab? You boys are being hoisted on your own petards..pricks, to you. >>> Then why assuming that any one who comes from the Middle East is automatically an arab and a muslim??? >...To be an Arab you have to be born in Arabia..."Christian" is not a place...it is not a nationality..it is a RELIGION. "Arab" is also not a religion...but it IS a nationality...it designates a COUNTRY. But not even all Arabs are Muslim...so get it straight. >>>Muslim isn't an identity either but a religion and attaching it to a nationality means the same thing as it has always been religion+state=Islam and they can't be separated. ...Not true. The designation "Arab" was used to pull in the Muaslim countries into a confederation...something Nasser tried to do in order to meet the European confederation of Christians squaring off against them...to someone born in Arabia there wasn`t even any such thing as an Arab...as T.E. Lawrence points out..it was near impossible to get the people of the Arabian peninsula to think of themselves as Arabs...never mind the people of the MidEast..this is Christian simplification..something your simpleminded religion suits you for..it`s your attempt to pretend there is a monolithic force up against you...when the West was the monolith all along. >>> Nasser also tried to make socialism work for Egypt but he ended up having more Egyptians hungry,poor,over a million sleeping in the cemetaries and the rich got even richer including the governing body.Bedouins were not used to have a structured life but rather a life of invading,looting and tribal affiliations,and this continues till today. ...The idea was Pan-Arabism...the common denominator being the religion...born in Arabia...no different than Christian Pan-Europeanism...and you KNOW no Frenchman considerd himself an Englishman just because he shared a religion with one..or even thought of himself as a European, unless forced into it...the Muslim world is just as jealous of its nationalities and differences..even if they are agreed on their religion. >>> I agree with you on this point,it goes to show that having a tribal affiliation was and continues to be stronger than being called an arab,for if the religion of Islam was started in Somalia,muslims would have called themselves africans because their loyalty is to their religion. ...It was only natural..like a NATO or any other political alliance. They had just finished suffering the combined onslaught of Western Christendom in yet another unprovoked war...they could see the handwriign clearly enough...their common interests lay in forming a common front..an alliance and league...it was also natural that..as the Christians were attacking Muslims and would soon enough murder six million innocent Jews, Muslims form an alliance around their religion...since the West was gunning for Jews and Muslims next...like they are today on their second Holocaust. >>> They were divided then and shall continue because their identity doesn't mean to them what their religion does. ...they don`t recognize themselves as Assyrians because it is ridiculous to do so. Had all Jews given up yahwe to follow Mugwhump, at the same time you all gave up Ashur...would you consider them MORE Jewish today? Muslims readily admit the conneection, common ancestry and pride in their Mesopotamian heritage...freely and proudly. But they also have a proud history SINCE THEN that includes the greatest civilization of its day...the Great Islamic Empire centered in Baghdad. Muslim Assyrians therefore have 1,300 years MORE of a proud heritage, in ADDITION to their 3000 year old earlier tradition to be proud of..whereas Christians stopped living when the Muslims conquered them... >>> Not true,when the arabs invaded Mesopotamia they had nothing and all that they got was taught to them,and the Christians who were in Mespotamia were the teachers and the cultural ambassadors who built what you're calling the "Great Islamic Empire",but they never admit that.The teachers were those Christians whom you keep on knocking down. ..it is absurd to claim you are an Assyrian. Simply absurd. There isn`t a shred of evidence for it anywhere...but indeed, you are allowed to believe anything you want to..there are over 400 Napoleons at any given time in mental hospitals and no one bothers arguing with them either...you are petted and indulged when you make these ridiculous claims..but no one takes you seriously...obviously. It`s a mean and stupid way to gain some recognition for your petty Christianity. >>> You keep telling that to yourself as long as you are believing it. >>>Christianity has nothing to do with being Assyrian,we were Assyrians before we became Christians.You make it a big deal for people to identify themselves as Assyrians and Christians,faith has nothing to do with ethnicity. >...If that`s true then every Christian in BetNahrain is really a Jew..or an Israeli at least..and should go BACK to Israel. >>> Not true,but every Jew may be an Assyrian since Abraham came from Mesopotamia and at that time there was no such a thing as a Jew,a Hebrew or even an Isralite. ...Doesn`t matter to me...I respect people worthy of respect and there thousands among both Jews and Arabs...I merely know I was born in BetNahrain and that the variety of influences that run throughout my background are the richest mixture of ability and talent and culture there ever was...even in ancient days no one bothered with being pure..this is Fascism in disguise...there is no "pure" blood...not even back then..the very reason that the ancients were so prolific was because they cast a wide net and included everybody...everybody..they had none of these assinine requirements for belongiong you`ve all dreamed up to make yourselves seem important. Christianity is washed up in the MidEast..had Muslims not been so tolerant and followed the example set for them by Christians..they would have thrown you all out or killed you off long ago...there will be no peace in the MidEast until the Christian leaves...and there won`t be peace on earth until we destroy heaven. >>> Why would the Christians of the East leave the lands that they were always in? just because the lands were invaded,people slaughtered and demography changed? ..Hitler had a league too..and you don`t want to know all that the Knights Templar did...you are one of the many boys who was at the bottom end of the economic scale back home and were forced as such to mix with low class Muslims...the same as if your only experience with Christians was from those backwoods and hog wallers of Virginia or in any trailer park where the white trash congregate...you formed your opinions of Islam and Muslims from that...some of us were more fortunate and got to know very different Muslims...and found them to be among the kindest and most decent people anywhere...this bullshit of yours is nothing but redneck Christianity seeking to enoble itself with "history". >>> You're making an assumption which isn't true at all about the economic scale,don't make assumptions about matters you don't know.I didn't say that there weren't decent people in any nationality and religion,you're the one who is forever generalizing. >hehehehehe. Oh where oh where are those BRIGHT Christian bulbs? And where are the HEROES who dare not TALK to an Assyrian??? They are always welcome..should they find the nerve in their Arab ancestry. OH, hehehehehehe! >>> You are a riot. ...I don`t see myself as ANY Assyrian. There is no Assyria. If today someone in France says he is from Gaul and it belongs to HIM he would be locked up...Native Americans can`t get their lands back and they have treaties promising it to them...no Englishman thinks of himself as being from Albion...this is poppycock. >>> If there's no Assyria,then this Forum of yours "Inside Assyria" doesn't exist either and you should have the name changed. ..I was born in Iraq...Iraq is a Muslim, Arabic speaking country predominantly...with plenty of room for sensible and decent ethnic and religious minorities...but not any longer. It bothers me not at all to be Arab...or anything else. These aren`t Teams we belong to..we are all human beans divided by our common stupidity...I am a human..that`s enough for me...I`m as much Chinese as I am French or Iraqi... >>> What's good for arab-muslims should be good for any one who isn't arab or muslim including Assyrians.Your statement above is exactly the path to being dhemmis yet again and you're not in Iraq so that you would be that "lucky" to experience what being a dhemmi is like.Those minorities that you're talking about were not a minority but a majority so tell us how did they become minorities ? Brotherly love,ha? You call yourself whatever you want,that's your choice but don't appoint yourself the chooser for others if they see themselves as Assyrians or Christians or whatever they want to be called. There are good and bad in all nations but also there has been much blood spilled and that will not be forgotten by all sides. As I said before the innocent of all sides are the ones who tend to pay the price for what others plot. --------------------- |
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