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Re: Yes They Are TOO... Who? Arab Christians or Assyrian muslims?
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Wednesday, March 23 2005, 15:27:44 (CET)
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>>>> Nasser also tried to make socialism work for Egypt but he ended up having more Egyptians hungry,poor,over a million sleeping in the cemetaries and the rich got even richer including the governing body.Bedouins were not used to have a structured life but rather a life of invading,looting and tribal affiliations,and this continues till today.

..bullshit and bullshit...American Robber Barons are the ones out there stealing...what`s a Bedouin raid compared with Exxon...or Halliburton..and they are CHRISTIAN COMPANIES!

....you reveal your ignorance and plain thick-headedness every time you repeat your church. If you recall the West was meddling with the MidEast since Napoleon decided to attack Egypt and killed thousands and looted the place for no other reason than it was there..and that`s just in the modern era..in 1956 the British bombed the civilians of Port Said, Egypt killing hundreds of civillians, women and children too..and all because Nasser exercised his right to deny the Brits use of the canal until they paid up..the history of interference in the affairs of Muslim countries is legendary...under all these provocations Nasser tried to create a united Muslims front to defend the region from the United Christian front that`s been attacking them for the last 50 years..most recently murdering 600,000 Iraqi children and ruining their infrastructure and everything else...creating a defensive league is hardly the same as ganging up on those people to bring them war and steal their resources....

...as far as poverty in Egypt...I suppose you heard of the Great Depression when, without any outside interference, the United States plunged into hunger and poverty and homelessness...and even before that, in the twenties, scads of American veterans descended on Washington demanding the reinstatement of their promised benefits...and they were attacked and fired upon and several killed by the same United States Army that needed them once. And today there are thousands of Americans living in poverty...and whole familes sleeping under bridges and in cars and on sidewalks. You can blame them for their status, if you want to...but your attempt to smear everything in the Muslim world smacks of religious ignorance and fanaticism and not of knowledge.
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>...The idea was Pan-Arabism...the common denominator being the religion...born in Arabia...no different than Christian Pan-Europeanism...and you KNOW no Frenchman considerd himself an Englishman just because he shared a religion with one..or even thought of himself as a European, unless forced into it...the Muslim world is just as jealous of its nationalities and differences..even if they are agreed on their religion.
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>>>> I agree with you on this point,it goes to show that having a tribal affiliation was and continues to be stronger than being called an arab,for if the religion of Islam was started in Somalia,muslims would have called themselves africans because their loyalty is to their religion.

...still not true. Their religion started in Arabia and for the life of them Arab tribesmen still didn`t know what an "Arab" was..that was Europe`s designation...THEY insisted that people occupying a land mass have to have a nationality. And Muslims outside Arabia certainly never considered themselves Arabs..that`s why Pan-Arabism didn`t work...
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> ...It was only natural..like a NATO or any other political alliance. They had just finished suffering the combined onslaught of Western Christendom in yet another unprovoked war...they could see the handwriign clearly enough...their common interests lay in forming a common front..an alliance and league...it was also natural that..as the Christians were attacking Muslims and would soon enough murder six million innocent Jews, Muslims form an alliance around their religion...since the West was gunning for Jews and Muslims next...like they are today on their second Holocaust.
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>>>> They were divided then and shall continue because their identity doesn't mean to them what their religion does.

...Homogenized smoothness is not in everyone`s upbringing. The mass media of the West, in America especially, has had great success turning people into Cheez-Whiz. Other people tend to be more individualistic...they all gather in Mecca...white and black and in between and come together under the religion in that sense..but they are fiercely loyal to their ethnic peculiarities...American Pop culture can overcome that, but it hasn`t yet.
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>...they don`t recognize themselves as Assyrians because it is ridiculous to do so. Had all Jews given up yahwe to follow Mugwhump, at the same time you all gave up Ashur...would you consider them MORE Jewish today? Muslims readily admit the conneection, common ancestry and pride in their Mesopotamian heritage...freely and proudly. But they also have a proud history SINCE THEN that includes the greatest civilization of its day...the Great Islamic Empire centered in Baghdad. Muslim Assyrians therefore have 1,300 years MORE of a proud heritage, in ADDITION to their 3000 year old earlier tradition to be proud of..whereas Christians stopped living when the Muslims conquered them...
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>>>> Not true,when the arabs invaded Mesopotamia they had nothing and all that they got was taught to them,and the Christians who were in Mespotamia were the teachers and the cultural ambassadors who built what you're calling the "Great Islamic Empire",but they never admit that.The teachers were those Christians whom you keep on knocking down.

..they were not only teachers. You people like to take credit for being the scribes and transcribers of knowledge..you insist on limiting Assyrian involvement to some bookish nerds and martyrs...there is absolutely nothing in Christian doctrine that would appeal to an Assyrian..and don`t go telling me that kindness is Christian...I mean your crush on a Messiah to come save your sorry asses...and then this cannibalism and human sacrifice stuff..that`s pure Hebrew garbage..never a part of anything Assyrian.

...you people forget that Assyrians did more than write books and "serve" other people. Assyrians also got up on horseback, wielded swords again and took their culture round the world. Christianity is a religion for slaves..for people convinced there is nothing for them on earth, who must look forward to another chance somwhere else..somewhere airy. Islam has a heaven of sorts too...but they don`t wait for a deliverer...you`re supposed to get there on your own...there is a lot more to appeal to Assyrians in Islam than there is in Christ..and DON`T tell me once again that kindness is Christian.

...Christian resignation and repudiation of the material things of this earth and Life are obviously contrary to what the Assyrians believed for thousands of years..if any Assyrians converted willingly it was only because they lost hope and faith in themselves...and became slaves..and you can see what Ashur did for them and what Christ did TO them...those who claim they are Assyrian Christians are beggars in the world today...vainly and noisily ranting about how they too are the CHOSEN...of a JEW GOD. And they`re SERIOUS too! This is not Assyrian...I don`t care how often they repeat it...they are merely trying to show that when they converted, they brought the greatest gift of all to the altar of the bloodiest mass murder the world has ever known...that they burned their Heritage on the altar of yahwe...therefore they are the BEST...because they sacrificed the MOST. That`s all being Assyrian means to them..it means how far they fell...not where they were.
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>..it is absurd to claim you are an Assyrian. Simply absurd. There isn`t a shred of evidence for it anywhere...but indeed, you are allowed to believe anything you want to..there are over 400 Napoleons at any given time in mental hospitals and no one bothers arguing with them either...you are petted and indulged when you make these ridiculous claims..but no one takes you seriously...obviously. It`s a mean and stupid way to gain some recognition for your petty Christianity.
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>>>> You keep telling that to yourself as long as you are believing it.

...you`re the proof of it..you and others like you who, when you ask them to explain or express they`re "Assyrianism"...point to a JEW!
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>>>>Christianity has nothing to do with being Assyrian,we were Assyrians before we became Christians.You make it a big deal for people to identify themselves as Assyrians and Christians,faith has nothing to do with ethnicity.

...bullshit...that`s another lie of your`s...to you people religion IS ethnicity..everything you point to as "Assyrian" is in reality Christian...you`ve simply made a mountain, tribal, Christian culture, "Assyrian"...just like that. You have no idea what Assyrian is...none at all.
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>>...If that`s true then every Christian in BetNahrain is really a Jew..or an Israeli at least..and should go BACK to Israel.

>>>> Not true,but every Jew may be an Assyrian since Abraham came from Mesopotamia and at that time there was no such a thing as a Jew,a Hebrew or even an Isralite.

...go read something lese besides manuscripts. I haven`t the time to unravel the mess in your head.
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>...Doesn`t matter to me...I respect people worthy of respect and there thousands among both Jews and Arabs...I merely know I was born in BetNahrain and that the variety of influences that run throughout my background are the richest mixture of ability and talent and culture there ever was...even in ancient days no one bothered with being pure..this is Fascism in disguise...there is no "pure" blood...not even back then..the very reason that the ancients were so prolific was because they cast a wide net and included everybody...everybody..they had none of these assinine requirements for belongiong you`ve all dreamed up to make yourselves seem important. Christianity is washed up in the MidEast..had Muslims not been so tolerant and followed the example set for them by Christians..they would have thrown you all out or killed you off long ago...there will be no peace in the MidEast until the Christian leaves...and there won`t be peace on earth until we destroy heaven.
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>>>> Why would the Christians of the East leave the lands that they were always in? just because the lands were invaded,people slaughtered and demography changed?

...you should try thinking before you write. Christians of the East at least had the OPTION to leave..and as we see...not all of them did by a long shot...several thousands have tried desperately to stay...even to this day...but thanks to YOU Christian evangelists...their situation has become intolerable..and STILL they don`t want to leave.

..When the Christian Crusaders took Jerusalem they killed every Muslim man, woman and child..and then, for fun, they rounded up all the Jews, locked them in their synagogue and burned them all to death..and you people were just warming up. You can say that all those people were also forced toĻ"leave"...leave their lives and earth behind.

..Contrast that to when Islam took back Jerusalem..the Patriarch, who ran for his life, was invited back to tour the city and the rights of ALL to worship there were guaranteed...and that was upheld until only recently and once again because of Christian interference...Muslims tried valiantly to live side by side and in peace with Jews and Christians..it was CHRISTIANS who killed all who were different and THEN turned their swords on each other..just as the Hebrews had done when THEY discovered your murderous god. And it is Christians who, as part of their Final Solution, have set Jews against Muslims...nmaking blood enemies of people of two faiths who remained friendly and supportive of each other for centuries...centuries when Christians were killing, robbing and harrassing them BOTH.

..Christians have made themselves unwelcome in the MidEast...not all the ones who live there...but the few, like you..who buy all this nonsense and have taught and spread sedition..that the country BELONGS to someone other than the established government..doesn`t matter HOW that government was established..as America stole land from the indigenous people as well..as did everyone else...you can`t preach sedition ANYWHERE and yet you people think because "god is on your side", you should be allowed to. Catholics in America can`t agitate for their own part of the country..neither can Native Americans or Afro-Americans..neither can the Irish Cathiolics in Ireland nor the Basques of Spain...yet that is exactly what you "Assyrians" are doing down to this day..and that has played the biggest part in making Christianity suspect in the modern era...in that region.

...Christians, like the recent ones to leave...didn`t "leave". They were driven out because of what foreign Christians did to the country...just as in Turkey in the First World War. Think in equivalents, you dunce, and stop rooting for "your team". What would be the chances of getting a new mosque built in Manhattan today? What would Christian Americans do to Muslim Americans who called for and paid for and prayed for and then HELPED Muslim countries invade and occupy America? I have asked you these and more questions a dozen times..you and your breathren in ignorance and all you do is lightly skip over them to ask..."why do you hate Christ and goodness"?
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>..Hitler had a league too..and you don`t want to know all that the Knights Templar did...you are one of the many boys who was at the bottom end of the economic scale back home and were forced as such to mix with low class Muslims...the same as if your only experience with Christians was from those backwoods and hog wallers of Virginia or in any trailer park where the white trash congregate...you formed your opinions of Islam and Muslims from that...some of us were more fortunate and got to know very different Muslims...and found them to be among the kindest and most decent people anywhere...this bullshit of yours is nothing but redneck Christianity seeking to enoble itself with "history".
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>>>> You're making an assumption which isn't true at all about the economic scale,don't make assumptions about matters you don't know.I didn't say that there weren't decent people in any nationality and religion,you're the one who is forever generalizing.

...then tell us your EXACT contact with Muslims YOURSELF. YOU stop generalizing about Islam, Muslims, Arabs, Nasser and the rest of it.
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>>hehehehehe. Oh where oh where are those BRIGHT Christian bulbs? And where are the HEROES who dare not TALK to an Assyrian??? They are always welcome..should they find the nerve in their Arab ancestry. OH, hehehehehehe!
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>...I don`t see myself as ANY Assyrian. There is no Assyria. If today someone in France says he is from Gaul and it belongs to HIM he would be locked up...Native Americans can`t get their lands back and they have treaties promising it to them...no Englishman thinks of himself as being from Albion...this is poppycock.
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>>>> If there's no Assyria,then this Forum of yours "Inside Assyria" doesn't exist either and you should have the name changed.

...this is the inside truth about the claim to be Assyrian. There is most definitely a consciousness of having an Assyrian Heritage...as there is of having had an Assyrian MUSLIM heritage...and you can certainly be of the Christian faith and be an Assyrian..but being Assyrian has nothing to do with what you SAY or how often you repeat things and it has NOTHING to do with religion..unless it be a belief in Ashur..and I do happen to believe in Ashur. You can tell a religion by what it inspires its followers to do...and so far there isn`t a damn thing inspirational in what you people represent...except your same old dismal and dreary Christianity that inspires you to be pious hypocrites and await a Jew Messiah..because you can`t wipe your own noses.

...It`s odd you would not see the obvious..that believing in Ashur inspires you to be and do ASSYRIAN thiongs...not Christian things...not eating people and drinking blood..or even PLAYING at such disgusting things. I`d have to be pretty whacked to spend 25 years making Assyrian sculpture if I was NOT Assyrian..but Assyrian in ways you have no way of understanding. No one who isn`t Assyrian would have spent four years on one monument...13 on another and two on a third..and all financed by the sale of his OWN sculptures...no one else has succeeded at inspiring other Assyrians to part with as much money as I have..and why? because they were inspired to do it, not by the charm of my sculpture or me, but because they too wanted to do something ASSYRIAN...YOU try making a school with donations from Assyrians..or a hospital..or anything...and then YOU trying selling sculpture to them...go on...TRY IT!

...and what you people call schools are nothing more than peddling Christian nonsense in the guise of an "Assyrian" school. Just because you speak nonsense in "Assyrian" you think no one notices.

...Assyrians put aside their Christian nuttiness and took an interest in their ASSYRIAN heritage..as expressed by our ancient art...and these very same Assyrians probably never gave as much to your friggin Jew religion...there is a reason for that..they too felt the need to do something ASSYRIAN for a change.

...It is unheard of, in the modern era, for Assyrians to have collectively spent close to a million dollars on sculpture or art of ANY kind..let alone Assyrian art. I built the first Assyrian, not Christian, public monument in 2500 years anywhere on earth...and you`re left having to tell me I must not be Assyrian...because I deny your nonsensical pandering and use of that noble name. Go use someone else.
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>..I was born in Iraq...Iraq is a Muslim, Arabic speaking country predominantly...with plenty of room for sensible and decent ethnic and religious minorities...but not any longer. It bothers me not at all to be Arab...or anything else. These aren`t Teams we belong to..we are all human beans divided by our common stupidity...I am a human..that`s enough for me...I`m as much Chinese as I am French or Iraqi...
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>>>> What's good for arab-muslims should be good for any one who isn't arab or muslim including Assyrians.Your statement above is exactly the path to being dhemmis yet again and you're not in Iraq so that you would be that "lucky" to experience what being a dhemmi is like.

..there were slaves and Black dhemmis in America only a short while ago...and people of color in America STILL face discrimination...and the indigenous people of America are STILL denied any rights to their lands..so what are you talking about? The people you are refering to who suffered discrimination in those countries did so because of the KIND of Christians they were..your kind, who believe they are entitled to some part of the country. My father was in the Iraqi army..it`s true he couldn`t rise beyond a certain rank...but then women STILL don`t receive equal pay for equal work in America and when my father was a major in the Army of Iraq...Black CHRISTIAN Americans cleaned latrines in the American military..and they fought long and hard to free themselves..they didn`t piss and moan about 1568 and 1931 the way you people do.

..You have become professional crybabies...look at what Black South Africans had to endure before being freed in their own country..which was a "democracy" all that time. And yet look with what dignity and calm they handled themselves..look at all they had to complain and cry about..and how instead they chose to build their dignity...you people are the bigest whiners the world has ever seen..."look at what they did to me"..is your constant cry...trying to excuse your own personal failings by an appeal to "history".

...My father, a Christian, was also a highly decorated officer...receiving a slew of medals and citations at one sitting from the regent himself...and later, and still Christian, he was made the head of the Health department of Kuwait..and Donny George and Tariq Azziz were also Christians who had no trouble advancing in those countries...as Jews and Christians were always able to get ahead based on their merits. Merits you and Peter and Aprim and the rest of the boys obviously lack...so you appeal to HISTORY as to your mothers...crying that, were it not for "them", you could be someone. It is since the Christian West took to invading those lands with impunity and barbarism that Christians there have become suspect...just as Muslims in New York must now walk softly.






Those minorities that you're talking about were not a minority but a majority so tell us how did they become minorities ? Brotherly love,ha?

..they were NEVER a majority. before Islam came there were plenty of pagans in the region..not everyone, in fact NO ONE, was converted to Christ. It is far more likely that whatever Christians came to the region were recently converted Jews...driven out by the Romans...you people never appealed to anyone anywhere..and it must hurt you, no doubt..so your church created the myth of the millions and millions of murdered or forcibly converted Christians to explain your small numbers.


...Left on your own..even tolerated as you were in China and Japan and India too...in all the intervening centuries, you have attracted no one...NO ONE. Your numbers there simply reflect what you would get if you put 300 rats in a cage and let them fuck each other for 1000 years...that`s all. Wherever you gained a nut job or two...you also lost one or two..and that`s your entire story in the East. Left to itself Christianity would have remained the minority religion it ALWAYS was...in fact, had the Byzantines had their way, you ALL would have been murdered or forcibly converted to Orthodoxy..or your orphanned children at least...you should be thankful to Muhammad for his armies saved you and allowed you to go on with your silly peculiarities because all they asked of you was that you obey the law and stop killing each other over Jesus...it was because of their indifference to your sects and their protection of the region from attack by Byzantium and the Eastern Roman Empire and its Imperial Church that you people were able to survive...but you attracted no one.

...The only Christianity that "worked"...that "won" new converts, was Western Christianity and their bloody record and history of how they accomplished this "miracle" is known well enough..and it is a record that would shame anyone but a Christian. And you are IN the West, appealing to these "wrong" Christians to also save your sorry asses. You can BE a murder or NEED and HIRE a murderer..the Law sees you as accomplices deserving of the same punishment for committing the crime TOGETHER

...You people in the East were ALWAYS the minority...you never won the hearts and minds of the majority of the pagans there...it was Islam that did that...far more than Christianity ever did...it was Islam that beat back the marauding Eastern Christians who would never have allowed you all to keep your fucking sects...so be grateful to Muhammad for that as well....you owe your "Assyriansm" to Islam for they protected you from being swallowed up in the Eastern Orthodox Church.
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>You call yourself whatever you want,that's your choice but don't appoint yourself the chooser for others if they see themselves as Assyrians or Christians or whatever they want to be called.

..like I said...at any given time there are 400 Napoleons and probably the same number of Cleopatras in mental hospitals and no one bothers arguing with them either..but for all of that, sane people know those inmates are nuts..just as we know you are. There isn`t a damn thing that is Assyrian about you..you are an offshoot of the Jewish faith and have no home to call your own...sound familiar?


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>There are good and bad in all nations but also there has been much blood spilled and that will not be forgotten by all sides.
>As I said before the innocent of all sides are the ones who tend to pay the price for what others plot.

...there was no guilt in Iraq...there was no guilt among the Jews you people cooked in Poland. You are the rapists who think you can cover your crimes by saying "all people" do bad things. We all know the innocent suffer...we also know that for the last 100 years it is the Christian who have brought death and destruction top innocent people the world over...nothing you prattle about can change that..I don`t care how many of Nasser`s prograns didn`t work...and stop carrying on about being a dhimmie...it seems to be a permanent state of mind with you...not a role you once occupied. Get over yoursewlf...get up off your knees and go do something Assyrian for a change..whinning and cringing and pointing out the obvious was never Assyrian..we were builders and dooers and visionaries..the only vision you people have is of yourselves on a cloud some day. Airhead!



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