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Re: in real terms....
Posted by Jesus on Dope (Guest) - Friday, November 12 2004, 21:04:17 (CET)
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Dopey wrote:

“Once again, if they wanted they could of but they didn't.”

***We are on the same page, why are you disagreeing with me to agree with me. The Twin Towers was a financial U.S. institution. It was the symbolism of democracy. I do agree with you that it was an “Empire of high finance”, but they were disrupting America’s finance’s not just on that day, but what happened after words as you we have witnessed. Here are my talking points.

Jesus on Dope response: once Again, the Twin Towers was a symbol of HIGH FINANCE AND NOT DEMOCRACY. And you want to call CORPORTATIONS GREED as symbol OF DEMOCRACY, so be it; but for this working class, DEMOCRACY IS ONLY FOUND WHEN MY HUMAN RIGHTS ARE NOT TARNISHED FOR THE SAKE OF CORPORATIONS.

We took a one million jobs loss a month after 9/11.One trillion dollars hit in the economy.

Jesus on Dope response: How was the Economy/job market prior to 9-11?

During late 90’s and early 2000 U.S. economy was ailing and tanked as result of scandals surrounded Wall Street and the White House. And to boost the economy Greenspan lowered the interest rates to lowest rate ever since the depression of 1920’s. The U.S. corporations were ailing from lack of revenue and high inventory and not WAR ON TEEROR.

So blaming the 9-11 attacks for ailing U.S. and world economy is just gross negligence and unfounded excuse.

And on “the trillion dollars hit in the economy” are you referring to income tax, GDP, Revenue, Job loss or…?

With respect to travel…all of the airlines went almost bankrupt. The stock market was disrupted even though we were in a mild recession and tourism with other elements greatly disrupted our economy. With the Presidents quick swift actions, we made a soft landing on the recession by passing the biggest tax cut in history. One hundred nine million Americans got a tax cut. That is not one percent of the wealthy population.

Jesus on Dope response: General rule, the U.S. Airline industry is the most volatile industry, and the airline industry had been performing in red as result of U.S. AND WORLD ECONOMY, PILOTS AND MECHANICS LABOR DISPUTES, HIGHER FUEL PRICES, AILING AIRPLANES, HIGHER TAXES, AND…However, I agree that the attacks helped the airline industry Into deepen slump.

And on the National debt ISSUE, Current U.S. National
Debt around 7 trillion dollars which equate to 63% of GDP=economy; and I hope you are not blaming the 9-11 for all that. Prior to 9-11 the National Debt was little more than 6 trillion dollars.


A few months after the attack…a tape came out of Al Queda praising what happened in 9/11. The guy talking on the tape (incidentally he gave him self up 6 months ago to Saudi officials on an amnesty program who was sick…you might have some him being towed around on a wheel chair.)

Jesus on Dope response: So, what’s your point? Many people around the world knew some day the U.S. soil will be attacked just didn’t now when. Does that mean we’re (were) with the 9-11 attackers? Well, Zbigniew K. Brzezinski wrote a book about something like Pearl Harbor during WWII will happen in the U.S.; is that mean he is with 9-11 attackers?


He said “praise to be Allah that the hit went much better than expected. They hit two birds with one stone.” They got max amount of causalities and max amount of financial burden on the U.S.

Jesus on Dope response: Think Big, Fatal U.S. causalities never been the issue.

Dopey wrote:

”I think, the 9-11 attackers had other intentions in mind beside fatal U.S. casualitites as you prescribed”.

***I explained to you that they came out with both objectives.


Jesus on Dope response: Wrong again, I could sit here and come up with hundreds other objectives for the attacks and each more convincing than the one before it; but the bottom line is “what goes around comes around.”

I think the attackers of 9-11 unveil how vulnerable even a super power like the U.S. could be. And this is no no. So, the U.S. had to do what they have done to save the face and save pseudo democracy in the U.S.
Dopey wrote:

”Second, did you read the tenants list? don't you agree with me that the TWIN TOWERS symbolized the backbone of the U.S. Empire HIGH FINANCE and other group(s) and organiazation(s)from overseas mostly high international financers which U.S. government has a direct interest is working with them not for the good of average working class but rather capitalists.”

*** I agree with you. But you have to remember it was a hit on the U.S. interest on U.S soil. They will not target Honda Corp. on American soil, but they will hit Citibank. They will not hit Tele-Mundo, but they would love to hit Fox News. It was to be an American symbol attached to an American Company.

Jesus on Dope response: Wrong again, it was a hit on HIGH FINANCE INTERESTS IN THE TWIN TOWERS AND NOT JUST THE U.S.


Dopey wrote:
Once again, what we witnessed was a message from those folks that CIA trained (Mojahdeen and Talaban) and financed in the 80's by selling Opium/Heroin to the rest of the world and a greater U.S. cities and towns with the U.S. government official turning their faces 180 degrees.

***Once again, policies change… you have to work with the wind of change. We trained the Mujahdeen to fight our cold war enemy the Soviet Union. This was good policy. We ended the cold war with the help of the Mujahdeens and they defeated the Soviet Union with our help. We both came out. You have to also remember the Northern Alliance was at war with the Taliban. Osama Bin Laden killed Mosud (northern alliance leader) one month before 9/11. We supported the Northern Alliance when we took down the Taliban. Only Pakistan and Iraq recognized the Taliban as the legit Government of Afghanistan. Every the Government around the world rejected the Taliban.

Jesus on Dope response: Well, based on your comment
if the U.S. and other super powers have the rights to mingle in other smaller countries internal affairs, sent out arms to dictators to kill civilians why can’t those small countries/civilians mingle with the U.S. and other super powers? Why not? If it’s good for the goose it got to be good for…



Dopey wrote:

“selling Opium/Heroin to the rest of the world and a greater U.S. cities and towns with the U.S. government official turning their faces 180 degrees.”

***Opium was not discovered or sold only in the 80’s. It has been going on since the end of time. If that is the case then you also have to mention Hashish and every other drug including cocaine as an American Government epidemic.

Jesus on Dope response: Well, you are right. U.S. used drug money to finance South and Central America ILLEGAL covert operation during Reagan administration (Iran-contra). Am I correct? Do you know of other country used drugs to finance WARS?



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