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Re: Maggie...
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Wednesday, February 22 2006, 16:37:04 (CET)
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Maggie wrote:
>pancho wrote:
>>..I notice when you are asked certain direct questions, you tend to evade by firing back three more"
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>I have answered every question as honestly as I can. What do you want, blood?
>I can only answer direct questions pertaining to ME, and what I know. The rest are none of my business, as I can't speak for anyone else when I don't know the facts, can YOU?

...like I said....
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>"...let me ask you simply for your opinion: do you believe Saddam sent agents to kill Dadeeshoo?"
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>When I came to Stanislaus county it was 10 years AFTER the incident had taken place.

...you were born some years AFTER Assyria fell...yet I`m sure you have opinions about it.


The impact wasn't there for me, and every Assyrian in this county likes to tell their own version. The Dadesho haters are former Bet-Nahrain members, who couldn't bring Sargon Dadesho down in spite of their best efforts, so they lie and spread false rumors, but check them out sometimes, they all look like murders and skin heads, so it's hard for me to take them seriously. Their lying and deceiptfullness is natural for people who hate him because they couldn't get the best of him. The other side are the Sargon Dadesho friends and members or affiliates of Bet-Nahrain from all over the world, and even former Zowaa members/supporters who view him as a patriot, a nationalist, a hero of Assyria, so naturally they will tell a different version of Sargon Dadesho, because they believe in him. In your honest opinion, which one would you ike me to believe?

...you are still answering questions with more questions....this was a lovely introduction...but not what I asked...I asked for YOUR opinion...why could you not give one? Have you none?
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>Seeing how Assyrians, even educated ones, never present FACTS, and are simply busy bodies and gossip mongers, I don't listen to any of them, because I know Assyrians ALL TOO WELL. I've had 40 years of training. Besides, Assyrian rumors and gossip are endless, and there isn't enough time in one life-time to devote to their wagging tongues. I'm simply not interested, unless it can change my life for the better.

..this is not the subject of gossip...there was indeed an investigation...the Federal government must have credited the story because a trial was held and Dadeeshoo WAS awarded damages...and I remember seeing articles in the newspapers about it...I`m not asking you if it ACTUALLY happened, of course I`m not asking that...I asked if you THINK it happened...and since the courts and several sources seemed to believe it did...do you?
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>Now if you profess to have all the facts, Faird, please present them to me, so I can study them and then I will give you my honest opinion. Until then, you have NOTHING but rumors and inuendos, just like the rest of them!

..this is not a rumor. I`m saying it was a lie concocted with the help of the usual underlings in the State Department who look about for stories that will sit well with the public..it suited the administration to spread stories about how eveil and perfiduious and deangerous Saddam was that he would even rweach into Ceres with his hired assassins to kill "partiots". I am saying it is a lie...what proof could I give you? Dadeesho believed it...he must have beacuse he spoke about it...you are there you can ask him...you sure as hell wanted me to confront Narsai...so ASK Dadeeshoo! HE said it happened...not me...it is HIS Lie, HIS "rumor", HIS "unsubstantiated" statement...it is HIS lack of "facts" (as with his degree) that I am talking about. Dadeeshoo himself fed the story and he took Iraq to court and he must have "proven" something for he WAS awarded cash to be taken from Iraqi reserves..these are not "rumors"...THEY are not in question..what IS in question is did it EVER really happen...and MY question was, do YOU believe it did?
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>"Don`t tell me what the courts of the land said...or the State Department...tell me what YOU think."
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>I just told you what I think, but obviously you will never be satisfied with this.

..no, you did not. You evaded yet again by asking ME questions. There is no "rumor" on MY part....the "rumor" is from Dadeeshoo and the State Department. I am NOT the one who said this happened, Dadeeshoo is...therefor it is HIS rumor...not mine.

You like juicy stuff, and I'm sorry to disappoint you. YOu would like me to give an opinion based on Assyrian half-baked stories, biased rumors, etc. and I can't in all honesty because I don't know what the truth is.

...all you need do is remove the mirror from in front of Dadeeshoo for ONE MINUTE and ASK HIM...he`s right THERE! It is NOT my "rumor"...I never claimed it happened....on the contrary, I say it never did...it is dadeeshoos RUMOR...backed up somewhat sloppily by a court trial and a verdict in his favor...so, I am asking you again...do you beluieve what DADEESHOO says happened: that Iraqi agents were sent by Saddam to kill him?. This is what HE claimed, in court and on his program and repeated to the mainstream media...it is HIS rumor, not mine...and I`m asking you yet again...what do YOU think about HIS rumored claim to an assassination attempt on his life by Saddam? How much more clearly can I re-state my question?
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>Now let me ask you this: You don't believe Saddam's stooge, Yonadam Kanna, who has publicly been named in Iraq as a Baathy agent/informer, and whom former Zowaa big whigs have fingered as an informer to Saddam, and they claim was the one responsible for the betrayal of the former Zowaa leadership, Yousip and Youbert, and the cause of their execution, would he NOT have been capable of informing on someone like Sargon Dadesho, his mortal enemy? It's not that far-fetched to me. That's my opinion in a nut shell! If Yonadam Kanna delivered Yousip and Youbert, the original founders of Zowaa, to Saddam, in exchange for a leadership position of the Assyrian Democratic party, and to gain favor with Saddam, he is capable of doing anything!

..okay...now these are YOUIR rumors...I know nothing about them...but I am willing to admit that all these skunks are capable of any sort of underhanded dealings...why are YOU sidestepping this issue? It is very simple..and you`ve addressed everything else BUT this one, simple question....or maybe not...maybe you`ve answered it.
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>Was that good enough of an opinion for you, Farid?

...sure...but not the one I asked for.
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>>.."think before you answer...I`ll admit there are several traps waiting for you...so at least give it your best shot and be prepared to defend as vigorously as you expect others to."
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>Farid, you couldn't trap if you tried! What others defend is not worthy of my time. It's based on old grudges and deeply-rooted hatred, kind of like clansmen fighting against one another to see who will be the first to wipe out as many Assyrians as possible off the face of the earth.

...they are doing a good enough job themselves...they don`t need help.
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>It is an interesting case study though, your obsession with Sargon Dadesho, that is. I would like very much to know what he has done to you, if you wouldn't mind sharing it with us.

...not a thing...other`s have done worse...and I could care less...this not personal....as I told you about Narsai...friendship is one thing...the rest is another subject. Dadeeshoo markets himself to the DETRIMENT of Assyrians...he may, like candy, provide some brief and instant gratification for people utterly starved and devoid of sense or hope....but he does so at the cost of keeping them infantile and deluded...as the church does...I could easily make a "star" of myself..I am far better looking and charming and pretty AND, I can actually DO something...but that would only raise me in my own eyes...by keeping Assyrians barefoot and pregnant...I would far rather make it so that several Assyrians can surpass me....I want them to think of me as very little...not make a national shmuck and icon of me..it is not their value as a doting sudience or fans or followers that I want...I want them to go BEYOND me...which would be death to Dadeeshoo and the rest...for this reason I seek to "expose" him...which merely means show the true caliber and measure of the man..I can give him all the credit he deserves, as I do Narsai and myself...but I`ll ALSO cut and trim away the self-seeking lies and distortions....as I would not want ANYONE to fool a child of mine, thereby stunting their intellectual development.

Dadeeshoo may be good, for the moment...but it is not the moment I am thinking of. Right NOW you are benefitting yourtself and the people who watch and hear you....that is for THIS moment...tomorrow you may leave. What has been built that REMAINS..or that can be built upon? What does Dadeeshoo signify...REALLY? What does Narsai mean...really? And...what do I mean...really?



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