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Re: how we learn to hate whom we hate...
Posted by pancho (Guest) - Wednesday, January 25 2006, 3:13:55 (CET)
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Don wrote:
>Man you have a short fuse. And you still didn't answer how I addressed all the wrong things done to us by "Christians." Yet I mention an instant or two about Kurds killing Mar Shimun and you equate me with your internet pals Aprim or whoever.

...I don`t equate you with him...you are miles away from Aprim. Aprim is a worm.
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>"...it`s funny then that you should praise Assyrians for being divided from Ashur...I know, I know...Ashur and Jesus are ONE. Well then why can`t east and west be ONE?"
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>-Who gives a shit what our religion or faith is.

...because you Christians have confused a Jew religion with an ETHNIC identity that NEVER knew a Jew Messiah or had any use for one. An ethnic identity that WAS a religious identity as well, which was possible in the days before someone got the brilliant idea of making one religion "universal", which merely meant forcing people who had no knowledge nor interest in it to convert to it...the Jews remained faithful to the creed and custom of THOSE days, days when the Assyrians and everyone else believed and acted the same way...but today you are all of a stranger`s religion trying to convince yourselves that it`s BETTER this way! And you wonder why you sink lower and lower.

This penchant to see Assyrians as Christians and ONLY Christians has led you people again and again to put your simpleminded faith not only in what dead Jew fishermen of 2000 years ago said about a Jew flying to heaven, but have ALSO placed your ditzy faith in what any co-religionist promised you..and since the European Protestant missionaries were able to so EASILY separate you people some more from your "old faith"...you have shown a depressing tendency to believe ANY white man...and we can see in Iraq today just how much this blind "faith" of yours has cost not only us but the world...

We're all responsible for putting that stuff before our country...every Assyrian of every faith did it. Whoopdee do. You know we'll have a country when we learn to separate the two.

...the only country an Assyrian has is Iraq...there is NO Assyria and there never will be aagin..there is no Gaul nor no Albion either! Iraq IS here and it IS ours...but it is NOT the exclusive reserve of Christians...those of them who can share it, decently, with Muslim Assyrians have ALWAYS been welcome...it is the fanatics among you who insist they are PURE Assyrian because they have a pure JEW FAITH who have wrecked it for the rest of us.
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>"...who doesn`t. I don`t like selective hatred or love. If you`re going to ONLY mention Muslims killing Christians when you think of tragedies...then you`re oblivious to how many MORE Christians Christians have killed...including their own patriarch."
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>-Like I said...highlighting. You grouped me with your internet pals again.

...then don`t do it anymore...join those who fought the Nazis in their early days when they were spreading every lie they could about Jews...because Christians are at it again...Christians have killed people ALL OVER the world..they have killed their own for meaningless details over their faith..they just murdered six million completely innocent Jews and are now after Muslims, using the SAME wholsale lies they used against the Jews..then, as now, they BELIEVED every lie they were taught was a TRUTH...just as our Christians today believe every bit of nonsense priests have filled their heads with..it was not only the Jews who suffered due to that Christian Holocaust...the Christians too paid an enormous price...you can`t get off scott free when you murder children and use their hair to make pillows with...just as these soldiers who return from Iraq will not escape the nightmares they richly earned for basically gunning down anyone who walked but did not crawl before Bush. Why don`t YOU work overtime to point out where these lies will lead ALL of us? It was only 60 years ago..and people were as convinced then as they are now that they, Christians, were far too civilized to EVER boil human fat down to make soap...only 60 YEARS AGO.

I'm not here to keep score like you are. I don't care who killed who or who did what anymore.

...well I am here to do just that...I see Christians sharpenning their sticks again and I`ll be damned if I`m going to get caught at the movies.

I only brought it up b/c I don't like historical facts being denied. If you want to mention the Christians killing Christians, Jews, Muslims and every other group of people...I AGREE with you. Go ahead, mention that same line about the holocaust another 50 times till you're blue in the face...as if I'm denying it.

..if you don`t see how these things begin..then you never learned the lesson...you wouldn`t have wanted to hear harsh criticism of Hitler either..or Eichmann...you`ll say now that this is ridiculous...but isn`t 600,000 starved to death Iraqi children ENOUGH for you...or do you not like to count?
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>"...I never made a secret of my agenda..it is to bring into the open the fact that Iraqis are ALL descended from the ancients...that whatever religion Assyrians adopted after Ashur makes no difference...HOWEVER, it is YOU Christians who`ve betrayed us to the west repeatedly..it is Christians who keep mentioning the "crimes" of Islam without addmitting to the ten thousand WORSE crimes of Christianity...through all of this...the churches in Iraq are STILL there! While in America EVERY Muslim charity has been closed because it gives "aid" to the enemy...Iraqis, Muslims especially, have bent over backwards to be tolerant and understanding and respectful...yet you Christians have tried their patience to the breaking point..as you finally managed to drive Palestinians to desperation for which, in true Christian fashion, you turn around and blame THEM!"
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>-I wonder if this would have gone along any more objectively if my religious affiliation wasn't running through your mind 100% of the time.

..if your religious affiliation wasn`t piously patting itself on the back for being brought to the world by ONE god and the BEST god...and if your religious affiliation had not FORCED millions of people to convert and deny their own souls and cultures..and if your religious affiliation had not declared one war after another during the last 100 years alone, using lies and bigotry and fear to justify yourselves, claiming everyone was coming for you when YOU were gunning for everybody and no one moreso than your OWN co-religionists..if your religious affiliation had not killed over 40 million Christians and others in one world war and then come back in barely the time it took to raise another generation and poison ITS mind...and started another world war in which you killed some 60 million MORE Christians and others..if your religious affiliation had not immediately started a war in Korea where it killed several million more...if it had not then started another war in which your religious affiliation killed over 3 million totally innocent rice farmers...and if your religious affiliation had not started another Crusade against the people of BetNahrain who NEVER did a goddamned thing to you Christians without YOU attacking them first...then maybe YOU would allow me to forget your goddamned religious affiliation.

Holy crapppp, I can't believe how many times you keep repeating the same thing about so and so killing so and so. I'm not denying anything happened. I don't care.

...bully for you...that`s what America is for.
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>"I asked why you neglected to mention the far more startling fact that a CHRISTIAN killed a PATRIRCH...rather than rush to the MUSLIM who did...a question you still haven`t answered....understand one thing...I am not looking for friends...you aren`t the first to try to "befriend" me...not interested...I am doing my OWN thing...you do your`s...I`ll do as I please..if you can use REASON to show ehere I`m mistaken..please do and power to you...but your "chagrin" that I don`t behave as YOU think I should means absolutely nothing at all."
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>-I neglected to mention it b/c it had nothing to do with the context of that post.

...then answer it NOW...what does it say when your OWN kill your OWN...and it is never mentioned...but when a Muslim kills one of your own...you never leave off "remembering".

That post was about you saying such things were lies and I pointed out the fact that such things did happen.

..you neglected to mention that there was sound reason to kill Marshimmun...if there is EVER a good reason and since you Christians have given YOURSELVES carte blanche to kill each oher...I think it needs to be pointed out that Simko did NOT kill Marshimmun because his religion is "just like that"...not unless you`re prepared to admit what many Muslims believe, on evidence, which is that YOUR religion makes you "just like that"...in that you people have ALWAYS betrayed your homelands to the western Christians..and if Christians came from MARS, you`d back THEM next in a war against our Assyrian Muslims.

Were the scope of that post to be about Christians killing Christians, then I would have mentioned that AND probably could list 50 other examples of such. "Try to befriend you"? Shit man, if you go through life thinking everyone has some kind of plot against you fine, but don't accuse me of trying to befriend you to try to manipulate you. I like talking to people. It's fun. If you want to talk and/or chill, that's fine. If you don't want to, that's fine to. Sorry if I passed your little comfort zone.

...you never got close. I don`t understand this need to be popular and liked in Assria. I would write here if ten thousand read and if one read..and if no one read.
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>"..it is Christianity that hates...not I. It is Christianity that hated Jews enough to murder six million of them..and it is Christianity again that has mounted another Crusade against the Holy Land of BetNahrain...NOT Jerusalem...if what your religion has done is hateful...thenblame it...not me for pointing out the amount of murder it has taken to maintain this religion of "love"."
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>-Yea yea, okay. Christianity hates. 6 million dead. Blah blah blah. I know. I don't disagree.

...no, you just don`t care...and while the fires are stoked all over again...you don`t want to be bothered..and then you want a PLAN...of ACTION???
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>"...your sarcasm had best be saved...I fear me if we go down that path you won`t like it."
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>-Short fuse? Thanks for the heads-up. Probably saved me some time.

...and polish too.
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>"...because you label something "leader" doesn`t mean it is...same with "intellectual"...there are no intellectuals who can believe Assyrians converted to Christianity willingly...when we KNOW what Christianity had to do in the rest of the world to FORCE people into the church...you just use these terms like they mean what you think they do."
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>-I didn't label them "leader," they labeled themselves "leader." Hence the quotes.

..okay.
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>"...not a damn thing..and I don`t need to. Any "paln of action" would find Christians on their knees anyway. Change, real change, comes about slowly...takes time to build up from within...I`m not interested in your chort sightedness...we first have to clear away the rot...to build anything on this crumbling nonsense of "Assyrians are REAL Christians" will only get us more of what you see already...my plan is to ask questions...to shine a light...to hold a mirror up..if you don`t like whay you see in my mirror...look elsewhere."
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>-Okay. Thank you for sharing your plans. And my point was to say you were labeling me like all the other cats you talk to...why not look at me like an individual? Rather, you highlighted my words and took them out of context to demonize me into the same category you place those others in.

...I did not...obviously someone such as yourself who is "bright" and yet does not care what happens in the world around him...doesn`t care if 600,000 becomes another six million, needs dynamite lit under him to get him to turn the radio down...you may listen to fine lyrics but you don`t LIVE them.
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>"...this is chilish...go get fourteen degrees and come back...like that will change anything. My questions are just that...questions. I`m not so foolish as to suggest anything for Christians to do...except for one...get the fuck OUT of BetNahrain...all of you! You have been a corrosive influence since the Iraqis first let you in...those Assyrians who value Iraq MORE than they do Jerusalem are welcome and they are the ones who`ve stuck it out this long..while the rest of you have run to the west where the "bad" Christians are, who employ you, teach you, whom you pay taxes to and USE to attack BetNahrain through."
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>Noooo...not christians, I was talking about Assyrians as a whole. You know what I'm talking about...you're just giving me a hard time. Yea Farid, I ordered all of them dead. It was ME. Give it a break.

..even your religion mentions two sins..I prefer lapses...ommission and commission...if you stand by and do nothing...you are part of the problem...there is no plan of action..there is no action you or I can take...but we can at least not be fooled or allow ourselves to "not care" as a coping mechanism
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>"...how do you know what I want to be..or am? Are you clairvoyant? Is this like you KNOW what god wants??? Where do you come off scolding me...or finding that I am less than what YOU think I should be? Look to yourself."
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>-Because I read your other post somewhere here where you said you would defend Assyrians from the attacks of anybody trying to change them into something they're not and all this other stuff. And then there was that one post where you said the movement for change has already begun and Ashur is already leading people back. Blah blah blah. Those are all characteristics of a revolutionary. I'm too lazy to cite your posts...you know what you wrote.

...I`m not a revolutionary...I just deal in words and ideas.
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>"...I`m not your nanny...I`m not your inspiration...I`m not your leader...I`m not your guru...I write and think outloud...that`s all. Make your own plan."
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>-I have my own plan. My point was to say that one's arguments are strengthened not when one just criticizes, but when one also offers plans for change.

...there are no answers..just better questions...I ask mine in my way...you ask yours in your way.

I don't need your plan and you don't need mine. I wasn't seriously asking you for yours. It was more of a rhetorical statement. Anyway, I'll stop now - all it's going to do is incriminate me more when you pick apart my words.

...then put them together better.
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>"..ask me if I give shit about the "younger people"...go on...ask."
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>Ok, sure. Farid, do you give a shit about the "younger people?"

...it is for them to care about themselves...



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