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Re: how we learn to hate whom we hate...
Posted by Don (Guest) - Tuesday, January 24 2006, 23:28:28 (CET)
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Man you have a short fuse. And you still didn't answer how I addressed all the wrong things done to us by "Christians." Yet I mention an instant or two about Kurds killing Mar Shimun and you equate me with your internet pals Aprim or whoever.


"...it`s funny then that you should praise Assyrians for being divided from Ashur...I know, I know...Ashur and Jesus are ONE. Well then why can`t east and west be ONE?"

-Who gives a shit what our religion or faith is. We're all responsible for putting that stuff before our country...every Assyrian of every faith did it. Whoopdee do. You know we'll have a country when we learn to separate the two.

"...who doesn`t. I don`t like selective hatred or love. If you`re going to ONLY mention Muslims killing Christians when you think of tragedies...then you`re oblivious to how many MORE Christians Christians have killed...including their own patriarch."

-Like I said...highlighting. You grouped me with your internet pals again. I'm not here to keep score like you are. I don't care who killed who or who did what anymore. I only brought it up b/c I don't like historical facts being denied. If you want to mention the Christians killing Christians, Jews, Muslims and every other group of people...I AGREE with you. Go ahead, mention that same line about the holocaust another 50 times till you're blue in the face...as if I'm denying it.

"...I never made a secret of my agenda..it is to bring into the open the fact that Iraqis are ALL descended from the ancients...that whatever religion Assyrians adopted after Ashur makes no difference...HOWEVER, it is YOU Christians who`ve betrayed us to the west repeatedly..it is Christians who keep mentioning the "crimes" of Islam without addmitting to the ten thousand WORSE crimes of Christianity...through all of this...the churches in Iraq are STILL there! While in America EVERY Muslim charity has been closed because it gives "aid" to the enemy...Iraqis, Muslims especially, have bent over backwards to be tolerant and understanding and respectful...yet you Christians have tried their patience to the breaking point..as you finally managed to drive Palestinians to desperation for which, in true Christian fashion, you turn around and blame THEM!"

-I wonder if this would have gone along any more objectively if my religious affiliation wasn't running through your mind 100% of the time. Holy crapppp, I can't believe how many times you keep repeating the same thing about so and so killing so and so. I'm not denying anything happened. I don't care.

"I asked why you neglected to mention the far more startling fact that a CHRISTIAN killed a PATRIRCH...rather than rush to the MUSLIM who did...a question you still haven`t answered....understand one thing...I am not looking for friends...you aren`t the first to try to "befriend" me...not interested...I am doing my OWN thing...you do your`s...I`ll do as I please..if you can use REASON to show ehere I`m mistaken..please do and power to you...but your "chagrin" that I don`t behave as YOU think I should means absolutely nothing at all."

-I neglected to mention it b/c it had nothing to do with the context of that post. That post was about you saying such things were lies and I pointed out the fact that such things did happen. Were the scope of that post to be about Christians killing Christians, then I would have mentioned that AND probably could list 50 other examples of such. "Try to befriend you"? Shit man, if you go through life thinking everyone has some kind of plot against you fine, but don't accuse me of trying to befriend you to try to manipulate you. I like talking to people. It's fun. If you want to talk and/or chill, that's fine. If you don't want to, that's fine to. Sorry if I passed your little comfort zone.

"..it is Christianity that hates...not I. It is Christianity that hated Jews enough to murder six million of them..and it is Christianity again that has mounted another Crusade against the Holy Land of BetNahrain...NOT Jerusalem...if what your religion has done is hateful...thenblame it...not me for pointing out the amount of murder it has taken to maintain this religion of "love"."

-Yea yea, okay. Christianity hates. 6 million dead. Blah blah blah. I know. I don't disagree.

"...your sarcasm had best be saved...I fear me if we go down that path you won`t like it."

-Short fuse? Thanks for the heads-up. Probably saved me some time.

"...because you label something "leader" doesn`t mean it is...same with "intellectual"...there are no intellectuals who can believe Assyrians converted to Christianity willingly...when we KNOW what Christianity had to do in the rest of the world to FORCE people into the church...you just use these terms like they mean what you think they do."

-I didn't label them "leader," they labeled themselves "leader." Hence the quotes.

"...not a damn thing..and I don`t need to. Any "paln of action" would find Christians on their knees anyway. Change, real change, comes about slowly...takes time to build up from within...I`m not interested in your chort sightedness...we first have to clear away the rot...to build anything on this crumbling nonsense of "Assyrians are REAL Christians" will only get us more of what you see already...my plan is to ask questions...to shine a light...to hold a mirror up..if you don`t like whay you see in my mirror...look elsewhere."

-Okay. Thank you for sharing your plans. And my point was to say you were labeling me like all the other cats you talk to...why not look at me like an individual? Rather, you highlighted my words and took them out of context to demonize me into the same category you place those others in.

"...this is chilish...go get fourteen degrees and come back...like that will change anything. My questions are just that...questions. I`m not so foolish as to suggest anything for Christians to do...except for one...get the fuck OUT of BetNahrain...all of you! You have been a corrosive influence since the Iraqis first let you in...those Assyrians who value Iraq MORE than they do Jerusalem are welcome and they are the ones who`ve stuck it out this long..while the rest of you have run to the west where the "bad" Christians are, who employ you, teach you, whom you pay taxes to and USE to attack BetNahrain through."

Noooo...not christians, I was talking about Assyrians as a whole. You know what I'm talking about...you're just giving me a hard time. Yea Farid, I ordered all of them dead. It was ME. Give it a break.

"...how do you know what I want to be..or am? Are you clairvoyant? Is this like you KNOW what god wants??? Where do you come off scolding me...or finding that I am less than what YOU think I should be? Look to yourself."

-Because I read your other post somewhere here where you said you would defend Assyrians from the attacks of anybody trying to change them into something they're not and all this other stuff. And then there was that one post where you said the movement for change has already begun and Ashur is already leading people back. Blah blah blah. Those are all characteristics of a revolutionary. I'm too lazy to cite your posts...you know what you wrote.

"...I`m not your nanny...I`m not your inspiration...I`m not your leader...I`m not your guru...I write and think outloud...that`s all. Make your own plan."

-I have my own plan. My point was to say that one's arguments are strengthened not when one just criticizes, but when one also offers plans for change. I don't need your plan and you don't need mine. I wasn't seriously asking you for yours. It was more of a rhetorical statement. Anyway, I'll stop now - all it's going to do is incriminate me more when you pick apart my words.

"..ask me if I give shit about the "younger people"...go on...ask."

Ok, sure. Farid, do you give a shit about the "younger people?"



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