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Re: you want a plot? I'll give you a plot!
Posted by Don (Guest) - Monday, June 12 2006, 20:54:04 (CEST)
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“...you`re making a virtue of your limitations...when you can`t see a connection you assume I´ve changed the subject. Before you can fault Jews you have step back and ask what Christians did to them...no European Jew ever wanted to live in Palestine...not a one of them wanted to give up Berlin or Warsaw for Haifa...if there is such a thing as Zionism, the credit for it goes to Christians...if you torture people enough they WILL fight back...but you can`t blame the woman you tried to rape for being ¨"violent" when she put your eyes out.”

---Notice I never hounded the Jews for their Zionist Movement. I clearly showed that they were forced into it. Just like the people of Iraq are being forced to fight back but are being labeled negative things like “terrorist.” I have also stated on this forum that it was the popes who played a large hand in screwing the Jews.

“...you go back, but only a little...just far back enough to where your prejudices are confirmed...but farther than that you dare not go...that is YOUR problem, not mine. You aren`t radical yet...you don`t go to the root of an issue...you don`t ask why there is Zionism...why and how there is an Israel...but it´s okay...you`re obviously pleased with yourself...so why bother?

---No, that’s not true. I have stated several times that it was Christians that forced them to that point – e.g. see my comment about the popes above.

“...that´s absurd. That´s like saying WMDs were a ploy, a gimmick...and then leave the subject entirely...sure they were ploys and gimmicks...but to what END? And...what are the consequences right now...they fact that religion or WMDs are a ploy does NOT lessen the number of people killed by such "ploys". You haven`t explained anything or simplified anything by calling them ploys and tricks...you´ve only made a simpleton of yourself.

---Come on, I thought you were better than that. That’s fuzzy logic. You can’t substitute one thing for another and still expect the statement to still be true. That’s being a simpleton. What I am saying is that those same people that caused the harm to the Jews were not “real” Christians, according to many people. The same Turks and Kurds that caused the harm to Assyrian Christians less than 100 years ago do not cause me to go hate Islam. I understand what happened – happened as a result of the West’s attack against the East and with us being Christian, we were viewed as a threat. That perceived threat pushed people across the line into becoming extremists just like an attack on Iraq was what turned people “extremist” against the Americans. It does not matter if the danger is real or perceived, I understand the fact that force or danger makes people do what they ordinarily would not do. I know you have your interpretation of Christianity – one where it was born in blood – and that’s fine. But what I’m saying is that the majority of “good” Christians…I mean the ones that really do not want to harm anyone, will disagree about that. That’s just like how within Islam there are people saying “hey, our religion does not encourage killing, these people are forcing some of us to kill and then they’re branding us as terrorists.” I don’t sit there and hate Islam for it. I know that deep down, many of these beliefs were started with at least some good intent. You’ve said it yourself that the “good” Christians, the ones who really try to live in peace with their neighbors, don’t deserve what’s coming to them as a result of America attacking Iraq. To me, America is not Christianity even though the current President uses that as his banner b/c he knew he needed Evangelical votes to get elected.

“..then tell us who orchestrated the Holocaust...go on. How come you mention the religion of the JEWS...but don`t want to see Christianity mentioned? YOU people stop gassing and killing people and hiding it behind your prince of peace, whom you ALSO wanted murdered so you could get into heaven..and I promise you I`ll never mention your religion.”

---Whoever it was, it’s not someone I – or many other people – would call a “real” Christian. You mean to say Hitler was a “real” Christian? Besides the massive genocide (which is far more than enough on its own), he was also a womanizer. He stated that his girlfriend was a model German woman: “Young, blonde, and stupid” or something to that effect. And then the popes…we’re talking about the people who wanted the world to stay in the dark ages…in ignorance. We’re talking about the same people who divided us Assyrians and contributed greatly to our problems. Many men (across the world and of all religions) went into becoming clergy b/c they understood it as a way to have job security, safety and protection, money, shelter, and many other perks. These men, in many cases as many peoples’ experiences show, did not even believe in what they preached. But that shouldn’t cause one to hate his belief. That person should be removed but should not be the reason for disbelief.

“...at least you`re consistant in your bigotry...why were Jews being kidnapped into Israel? Could it be that the ones there already knew they would need NUMBERS??? Aren`t Assyrians crying out for others to go back to Iraq...why? To dance? You consistantly leave out the most important parts..the very BEGINNING...just so you can shovel shit at Jews and hide Christian atrocities and crimes those people are STILL paying for.

---I was agreeing with you, remember? I stated the thing from that book as supporting evidence - not to blame people, dork.

“...you load all your venom onto the Zionists...without ONCE mentioning the Christian pogrom orchestrated by the popes for 1500 years to HOUND the Jews to death...I suppose you think it was Zionists who made a last stand in the Warsaw ghetto and that they were "just like that". You make a good American, blind to all except what proves your own yankeedoodleshit.

---Bubba, what venom? I did not condemn them for created Zionism. I have repeatedly stated what made them become that way. You don’t know me, so please don’t say “your own yankeedoodleshit.” I said I do not condemn them nor praise them. The one thing that I will say is that the way they organized and came together is amazing.

“..Reading books isn`t enough...you need to think about what you read..and it helps if you leave your prejudices at the door...”

---Yea, you’re right. It would help if you checked yours at the door as well when debating with me. You still do not know my beliefs clearly – if at all – to sit there and accuse me of things. Despite that, thank you for a good conversation asab khortkon.



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