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Bill Maher....Hitchens.....Dawkins....Harris......
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Saturday, September 22 2012, 5:37:49 (UTC)
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...On his show with Salman Rushdie as a guest, Bill Maher took some pains to explain that while he was a Liberal on almost everything, he broke ranks with those who give any credit or understanding to Muslims and the position they find themselves in the world....I can't remember his comments verbatim, but the gist of a few of them was that while all religions are equally loathsome, at least "ours" doesn't kill you for insulting Jesus...that we Christians are reasonable, secular, tolerant... we allow dissent and cherish free speech, and while there are undoubtedly good Muslims, the religion itself is the worst there is because it makes people into killer-fanatics....and, to make his case more solid he cited the usual suspects, Hitchens and the rest, as being fellow-"reasonables" and all around good guys.

There are several things wrong with this position...first of all; if Christianity isn't killing people, today, for insulting Jesus, it did at one time, and plenty, so what are we really talking about...timing?...difference in degree, but not kind?. During the Thirty Years War, which was fought over differing interpretations of Jesus, with one side feeling definitely "insulted" by the other, several million totally innocent and most likely pretty decent men, women AND children were killed...often horribly killed and mutilated. And, at that very time, nothing even close was happening among Muslims...in fact nothing like that has EVER happened among Muslims.

What Maher, and other "scientific thinkers" fail to register is that Islam has had 700 years less to go grow, mature and change...it would be like comparing the mental and physical performance of a 12 year-old to a five year-old...it just isn't fair and doesn't take into account their relative rates of development (though in so many ways Islam is, and always was, superior to Christianity...when it isn't being pushed beyond endurance...and, when so pushed, it has reacted no differently than Christianity and indeed a whole lot better). It isn't that Christianity is inherently, systemically, opposed to killing children who make the sign of the cross with the wrong fingers, because they did kill such children, by the MILLIONS. It's just that they no longer do it...and even that isn't because of some credit due to the religion but because courageous people took their lives into their hands and defied the Church...and paid the price. Christianity is less bloody today because it was FORCED to pull in its claws, not because of its "beliefs"...certainly not because of its practices.....Christianity is inherently cruel and murderous because it BEGINS with the torture and murder and mutilation of a totally innocent victim...and it can never escape this birthright, never...and it shows.

Maher should admit that if Christianity doesn't kill its own today it isn't because it saw the light, but because we showed it JAIL.

They also fail to recognize that 99% of Muslim violence today comes as a reaction to what we Christians are DOING to them, and not because of their religion and certainly not because of ours...Islam still shows great respect for Jesus, why I don't know. Muslims are fighting back..and when you have hardly any weapons with which to fight back, you resort to whatever you can...during the war of 1776 the British were incensed that the Americans would shoot from ambush, even shoot in the back...it was not "gentlemanly"...a gentleman's army marched around making great noise with drums and in steady lines, so you could hit your mark, and dressed in bright scarlet uniforms so you'd be easily seen...fighting the way the way Americans did was just "not done".

Finally..if you squint only slightly, tilt your ears only a little bit, you can hear these same "liberals" discussing Jews in 1933...or 1833...or 1733...or 1233...you get the point. This notion that "that religion" and "those people" are beneath us, that we are superior to them because of our religion and that those people deserve what we do to them and have no right to defend themselves from us, let alone commit the indelicacy of fighting us back...well, we've heard it all before.

WHY did the Jews become "addicted to money"? WHY did the Jews "smell"? WHY did they "stick together" and "apart from the rest? WHY were they in the junk business? WHY didn't they farm, or manufacture...WHY did they lend money?

Without understanding that these "characteristics" were nothing more than HUMAN adaptation to the way they were TREATED, by Christians, you might actually believe that Jews are "just like that"..and you can hate them with a clear conscience...as Maher and Hitchens hate Muslims whose position in the world, and at the hands of war-mongering industrialized Christian nations they refuse to consider when asking, why they are "like that"?

There is a tremendous amount of hatred in such people...the same hatred felt towards Jews for centuries...the same unwillingness to give their victims any quarter or sympathy..the failure to ask "why"?...why did all this begin in the last 100 years...and not before? And, how would American react if Alaska was taken from us by a "benevolent" agency such as the United Nations, to redress wrongs we were never a part of? Such a monumental injustice with all the pain and misery that has gone with it is shrugged off as a silly "excuse"...when we know damn well we would kill any ten thousand children if their parents did that to us.

As much as I like the rest of their work, this race-hatred and bigotry is distressing and depressing..it's as if, as smart as these people undoubtedly are, they are poster-kids for what hatred and bigotry can do to the human heart...that and willful ignorance. Clearly it is still possible to harbor irrational and unthinking hate AND, disguise it so effectively to yourself..to even feel good about such views; like you are a superior being for holding such despicable views.

...shit.



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