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From a Christian
Posted by Rashad (Guest) - Sunday, December 5 2010, 13:47:36 (UTC)
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I have been caught up in a debate with a Christian who originally was attacking Muslims and I saw the lies he was making and jumped in. So I have been getting at him lately and it's been back and forward between us. Here he is first:

"you muslems not getting the question thru ur heads....i clearly said the bible does not teach violence like your koran does and i proved it by giving verses...don't even try to use the old testament...there is a good reason why its called old....and hitler was not christian and didn't practice any religion which makes him an atheist more than anything...you have not proved anything because i showed how the koran teaches violence and terrorists are following the manual hook line and sinker...show me where jesus preached hate and killing...i didn't say jesus was a god but he is the god since there is a humongous difference between them...soon he will return and every one will be on their knees knowing he is lord and asking for mercy... christ is lord and the king of kings and the god of muhammed...your prophet was a slave master and a pedophile and jesus never married or had sex...i dont hate muslims but i know how deluded yall are with muhammed and i'm only trying to save yalls soul before the return of our lord....in jesus name amen"

My turn,

It's funny how you wish to dismiss the old testament as being irrelevant because it doesn't suit your prejudices but you can't completely abandon it since Christianity is built on fucked up verses which were twisted by Paul and his klan in order to invent Jesus and Christianity. First of all, I should make it clear that I am not Muslim nor do I believe in a god or any gods(includes your Jesus too). I am put in a position to defend Islam just as I would be defending Judaism 60 years ago if I were alive. However, I used to be a Muslim and and a Christian before that. Before you say I wasn't a "true" Christian, I know Islam better than you could ever dream of and not only that but my knowledge of it is superior to every Christian because I know it from within and tasted it the way you could never experience Christianity. You learn Islam from wikipedia and from FOX News while I learned it from its own sources and learned its history from the most reliable western writers(William Mcneil, Thomas Arnold, etc).

You said you quoted verses from the Quran and I have not seen you quote anything but only state that it's filled with violence. I will make it easier for you and bring the handful(and there only are that few) verses in the Quran which pertain to warfare and will not only refute you but prove your knowledge is primitive. I am superior to you and you are no match to me at all. There are over 6,200 verses in the Quran and only about 8 of them are related to combat and one can easily understand them when they are read in full context, and I don't mean just reading the verse before or after but reading further down because they continue. FYI, all the violent verses(again, handful) which I assume you are referring to are related to the early Muslims and their defensive battles against the Arabs of old religion. It wasn't Muhammad who declared war on Arabs but the other way around.

Muhammad only allowed his followers to defend themselves and what is wrong with that? Islam does allow self defence and there is nothing wrong with that. I am not going to get into long details explaining the strict conditions with war in Islam but I will say that it is only allowed in defence and one can't exceed or go overboard. Civilians and innocent people are not to be killed and Muslims can only go to war when necessary and there is no other way around. Back to your Bible and your nonsense. You said not to quote the old testament but who was the supposed inspirer or the force behind the old testament? You just said Jesus is god, therefore, you must accept that the new and old testaments are from him. I don't believe that but you as a Christian do. So even if you dismiss the old testament, Jesus was still the same one who inspired the unknown authors and is guilty of genocide. He is the biggest killer ever and will make Pharaoh, Bin Laden and even Hitler look like a baby.

On the other hand, your Jesus is recorded to have said to obey the commandments and last I checked they are in that very old testament you reject and there aren't ten but hundreds so, yes, you must obey the old as well. However, if you want to play this game, I can still get you because Jesus was violent in the new testament as well. Remember how he did them Jews who were dealing money in the temple and how he went ballistic on them? He overthrew the tables, chased after them and even beat them. He also said he came to bring war, sword and turmoil. So you are the liar and misinformed. Nonetheless, even if Jesus was all about peace, Christianity has been the most violent and was brought to the world through force and propagnda. The earliest followers of Jesus(Nazarean, Ebionites, etc) were all wiped out by your Christians because they were too "different" from you.

You said the Quran is a manual for terrorists and I say you are not only full of shit but then the bible is the manual for KKK, Nazis, IRA, and every Christian terror group. The Christian abortion clinic bombers are all believers in the bible so are acting correctly. History, and I say history, makes it clear which religion was forced on people and which one was tolerant. Everything you claim Christianity is supposed to be was done by Muslims and all things you accuse Islam of is what your people have been guilty of. The last but not least, you disagree that Hitler was a Christian but that is your opinion but not a fact. His own book(mein kampf) proves it and the Catholic church never renounced him as an apostate. So yes, he was a Christian and he did attend church too. This means the biggest murderers in the world have been xtians and all others can't come close.

I am ready for more and I will keep coming back until you surrender or I die.



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