The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

=> HEY!! ashur...over here.....look!!! My response to you....

HEY!! ashur...over here.....look!!! My response to you....
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Monday, February 27 2012, 22:25:56 (UTC)
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I just noticed that you state you are from Mexico Pancho?? I thought you said you were Assyrian?

...yeah, and you're from Iraq...so how come you aren't Iraqi? And assyrians are born in America...are they no longer assyrians? Think a little before you type..and by the way, I am NOT Assyrian, no more than you are...I am from a NESTORIAN family.

You keep saying we as you are one of us?? Do you see why I call BS to your claim...

...Tell me who but one of us would have made the Ashurbanipal Monument...and the Shumirum Monument...and all the other Assyrian sculptures? a Qurd...an Arab...a Mexican??? You know...seeing as how you don;t believe anyone, I;m beginning to think that YOU are the liar...I told you, if I was Arab or Qurd I would ADMIT it...I see no shame in being either one.

...go to my webpage at "faridparhadart.com" and tell me I'm a Qurd...go ahead.

...do you mean no assyrian can live in Mexico? is that how your mind works?

I believe in what I'm saying and I'm also willing to die for what I believe...

..it's easy to die...it's much harder to live a clean, decent, and honest life....who asked you to die? We're asking you to LIVE and bring us whatever evidence you have...which, aside from that silly map, you haven't managed to do.


why are you hiding?

...you call this forum hiding?

Now getting back to your statement regarding Church history...wouldnt that actually be considered an opinion?

...not at all. If the church tells me that Jesus walked on water, that's an opinion, it's a myth...it's something you have to believe WITHOUT EVIDENCE. If I say the church is lying and that no man(or god),has EVER walked on water, it would be a fact, not an opinion...just because the fact comes out of my mouth doesn't make it just another opinion.

...I'll say it again: it is the responsibility of those who make fantastic claims, such as standing natural law on its head, who are obliged to provide evidence....you have no evidence for anything you have said...and then you try to confuse yourself by claiming that we don't have any evidence either...we don;t NEED any evidence to know that YOU have none. Same with your "I am assyrian" nonsense...you have absolutely no evidence...we've issued a number of challenges to you which you simply ignore...hiding away until you think we've forgotten, at which time you come back and ask US "why are you hiding"? I remember all the questions we asked you...and can ask them again.


Lets not forget that you were Muslim after Christianity and have only been an Atheist for about a year...

...I was never Christian, Muslim or atheist. I am me.

so in 12 months (less or more) you have already made this a fact

...see...see how your head works? YOU make a statement that I was a Muslim...and then you turn around and say "it is a fact"...why, because YOU said it? Where is your evidence?


...you read one book from one author (Joseph)and you have the nerve to ask me for more proof?

...because he is the ONLY qualified person to have studied and written on this subject..it may come as a shock to you but hardly anyone takes any interest in modern assyrians..people don;t study it because it is ABSURD and they know it and have known it...Joseph studied it because he is one of us and was curious to see what real history has to say about it.

Its not only wrong but lame

...if it is only one, lame book, why can't you refute it? Why do you skip over it and all the issues we raise? Surely you can handle ONE lame book???

...whether you are right(NOT) or wrong one things for sure and thats nobody will listen to you...

...sure they will...over 2000 people are reading here daily, every 24 hours...that's more than all the rest of your assyrian forums combined...just as soon as I finish my article for Wikipedia, using that one "lame" book, you'll see how fast they take down the nonsense placed there now....whether you guys listen or not doesn't matter...all that matters is that you keep coming here and undressing for us all....you do most of our work for us.

you dont have enough experience plus you are confused about God.

...enough experience to shut you up. I'm not confused about any god...you too are an atheist where Thor, Zeus and Isis are concerned...in fact you reject all 29000 gods before Jesus...I just go you one more god and don;t believe in ANY of them...maybe one day you'll go that extra god too.


I cant prove that their is a God and you cant prove that their is not??


..of course I can. If you say there is a 59 Chevy up your ass....I can demand that you pull it out and show it to me. The mere fact that you CAN'T, or won't, proves to any rational being that there is no such car up your ass...else you'd show it and shut us up once and for all.

...show me your god and I'll believe...very simple.

...you SAY there is a god...you also say all those other gods were fakes...okay, I ask you to produce your god...you can't. The very fact that you can't produce him means he doesn't exist...if he did you'd RUSH to show him to me.

..and, finally, if you make a fantastic claim, like pigs fly on Mars, YOU have to prove it. You can't ask ME to prove they DON'T (and then say "aha! Since you can't prove they DON'T, then they DO"!)..it is YOUR belief that is in question here... What kind of crap is that? YOU make a fantastic, nonsensical claim, and then expect ME to disprove it, when you can't PROVE it, and when I can't disprove it YOU say it has been PROVEN...or that "we both have opinions"...no we don;t. YOU have only an opinion, I have the FACT that you can't produce your god.

..If I tell you I created the first Assyrian Monument anywhere in the world for the last 2500, and you don;t believe me...I'm not going to say, " PROVE I didn't". Why should you bother? The sensible thing for you to do is to tell me that I am the one who has to prove it, not you DISPROVE it...but you see, I can prove it, which is why, and the only reason, I made the statement in the first place: because I KNOW it is true and because I am not a LIAR. It isn't my OPINION. It may YOUR opinion that I'm lying, that is indeed an opinion...but I can PROVE my statement...and you can't prove the existence of your god, or Isis, or Brahma, or Mugwhump..it's just your WISH.

Thats your OPINION!! I said it before...I SMELL CONSPIRACY!!!

...you smell bad.

Since when does a Mexican give a rats ass about our history...

...our ancient history? Many. It is your delusion that I must be Mexican because I am IN Mexico right now...I suppose when I move to Japan you'll smell a Japanese conspiracy.

are you kidding me Pancho...this is a joke!

...whatever makes you lol...but I notice you still haven't addressed any of the points raised. What if a Mexican DID take an interest in your claims..what would you say then? That you don;t have to answer a MEXICAN?

...why don;t you be brave and just ANSWER the issues raised?

I love how you bash the White man (British) and make them appear as they are idiots. Yes we were betrayed by the British and we have all made mistakes...the fact is they are smart and so was Speed. They had the mathmatical knowledge to create maps and these maps were accurate...100%!

...these are the same Brits who burned witches and said the earth was flat...these same smart people? Joseph says modern assyrians are an invention of the Euros...just like you all say Chaldeans were invented by the pope..and then, to prove Joseph wrong what do you do? You bring a map by a Euro who INVENTS assyrians in the Ottoman empire, with no other evidence than a CARTOON!

...we explained to you that everyone who read the bible since 300 AD KNEW of the ancient Assyrians and where they lived....Speed merely drew a cartoon of whom he imagined was still living in those lands....but we have more scholarship since the 17th century which shows that the mere MENTION of something, doesn;t mean it STILL exists...

...A German couple who pass through Arizona where their baby is born can say, "our baby was born in the land of the Navajo Indians"...that's what Arizona used to be called and known as, even on MAPS! But, that baby is NOT a member of the Navajo ethnic group...he is NOT a member of the tribe...he was merely born IN THE LAND OF......same with those whom YOU claim were "Assyrian" because they were "born in Assyria"..they were NOT born in Assyria because it wasn't Assyria any longer and hadn't been for 1000 years...they were born in the land that USED to be known as Assyria....that does not make them ethnic Assyrians...any more than that German baby born in the land of the Navajos becomes an Indian..he is STILL German.

...France used to be called Gaul...you may have heard of it. Anyone born in France today who insists he is a Gaul, from Gaul, and wants "my land back because I am the indigenous person" would be locked up...as you should be.


Before we even knew who the hell Speed was we have always claimed to be from the Ottoman Empire...our millet sect proves just that as the Armenians/Jews were broken down as well.

...yes, and we were Nestorians "from the Ottoman Empire", as was written on our church till 1976 when we added the word "Assyrian"..which is exactly how we became assyrian...we ADDED that word to our religion...but we are NOT assyrians.

Lets also not forget that they run the World and these so-called idiots have you speaking their language. Name one historian prior to Christ that has recorded history??


...Christ is a myth, a legend...like Isis and Thor. The bible is not history...it is RELIGIOUS history.

The Church has preserved history and still hold on to documents that Historians wish they could get their hands on...

..again these are all your opinions...you have provided no evidence for this "document" nor any evidence that historians are dying to get their hands on whatever it is...just words, words words...which is all you need in your Church..but it will not do in universities..and those are the sources we use and the world recognizes as real history.


as far as the Chaldean and using the Bible verse to show they are Assyrians was on point, not off. Chaldeans were and still are Assyrians.

...again, merely your opinion...Chaldeans certainly don;t agree...but what does this have to do with anything?

...YOU are not related to the ancient Assyrians and you have no evidence, besides your opinions and beliefs, that you are...while we have not only Joseph but all of his sources, that you and the Chaldeans were invented..this is not an opinion..it is attested to by the documents which show all this happening..and what missionaries wrote about first calling us assyrians...in THEIR words not mine or Joseph's.


Assyrian is the GRAND name. We dont belong to Arabs...I dont even speak Arabic or Aramean.

..yes, it is a grand name, but it has nothing to do with you. That Cadillac you stand in front of is a GRAND car..but it isn;t yours because you stand in front of it.


How do you explain the 400-500 Akkadian words that we use today?

...same way I explain the 1000 Sanskrit words in use all over Europe and Asia today...language TRAVELS. The word "daughter" exists almost exactly the same in Persian as well as in Sanskrit..does that make Sanskrit Persian? Does it make English Sanskrit? Language TRAVELS.


We know what part of our language is Aramaic and Akkadian.

...there are French loan-words in English...that doesn't mean I can get land in France.


The Arabic thats blended is either an Aramaic run off or pertaining to a person,place,thing. I know my language very well and if you do not then how the hell can you prove your theory...

..it's not a theory. It is a FACT that everyone in that region spoke Aramaic...Hebrews, Egyptians, Hittites, Arameans, Babylonians etc. It was not an exclusively assyrian OR Aramean language..it went far beyond that, as French did later and then English even later. Do you know why Aramaic is called the "lingua franca" of that day? because French was once spoken by a whole lot of people who never saw France....hence the word "franca" which means "France"...Aramaic was the lingua franca of its day because it too, like French much later, came to be used by lots of people in lots of countries with lots of ethnicities...but they did not BECOME French and neither did their languages...it was just that they USED French...and the Nestorians used Aramaic because it was the liturgical language of their religion and bible, NOT because they were ethnic assyrians.

...Just as later the Arabs spread out from Arabia and conquered other lands whose people began using Arabic and the religion of Mecca, because it was their religious language...but they did not become ETHICALLY Arabian. Many many nations use Arabic in their services, take Indonesia for instance,,, but they are not ethnic Arabs because of the language...neither does their language change INTO Arabic...

once again you are Mexican?

...what difference would that make? There is a huge Chaldean presence in Mexico...I visited with many Chaldeans in Mexico City....are they NOT Chaldeans because they live in Mexico? Do you live in a world where only Italians can study Italian history, only Germans can study German history and so on.....really?

The same way the Spainish conquered you is how Arabs are controlling Assyrians.

...the Arabs gave culture and civilization to the Europeans, starting with Spain.....Cordoba had plumbing and hospitals and museums and street lighting when Paris was filthy and the people lived with their animals. We can bring you evidence for that as well.

...Arabs are not "controlling" assyrians any more than Americans are controlling them...when you live in a country you obey the laws and pay your taxes and remain loyal...that's all that was ever asked of assyrians.....if you betray Iraq to the British or America to the Russians you will PAY the price!


Its not Arabs that I have an issue with...its them forcing religion on us.

...and here we have to ask you again for evidence for this claim...we have posted several sources with statements by eminent historians, all of them Christians, who say that this never happened...did you read that? It NEVER happened. You say it did...okay with all your 'experience", bring us the sources, real ones remember, no bibles.

Remember that there are many Arab Christians and are loved by Assyrians. Lets also remember that today Muslims are revolting and why is that? Its the same reason why we revolted...........FREEDOM!

...so? What does that have to do with anything? Arab people are tired of the tyrants the Christian West imposes on them...what does that have to do with anything?


As you claim to be an Atheist you should understand that I should have the freedom of choice.

...you won;t give me the choice to be who I am but tell me I must be Qurd, Turk and now Arab...and most recently Mexican...what choice do I have in this?

If the White man was acting like the Arab then we would feel the same about them. Once again, I'm not alone...many Arabs and non Arabs feel the same way.

..and many Americans feel increasingly oppressed in America...so?

The White man is not dividing us but rather helping us survive...YOU EVEN ADMITTED IT!

...I did, where?

I think survival is the only choice. Its conversations/debates like this that divides us.

...no way. Lies and distortions divide us from the truth, selective idiocy divides us from real books and real education...your many sects have divided assyrian against assyrian...look at this last tempest with Mar Bawi....we are at war with each other...no one else is interested in us.


Your user name is AssyrianMuslim but your Mexican and an Atheist! LOL!!

...keep laughing jackass....I have never signed myself AssyrianMusim, not once. And I'm not a Mexican for living in Mexico...there are people from all over Europe and America living in Mexico...they aren't Mexicans either....see how foolish you make yourself out to be?


This is obvious division!

...why, because you say it is? Do you see yourself as such an authority that you can make fun of university professors and others in favor of your own opinions?

You are not one of us and thats why you have not called me yet.

...I was born into a Nestorian family in Baghdad in 1947...I still have my Iraqi passport and birth certificate....my family was rather well known in Nestorian circles...my paternal grandfather Dr Baba Parhad, along with Dr Freydoun Atoraya is credited with drawing up the manifesto that first asserted our modern assyrian identity and political aims...my father went on to become a psychiatrist and was much decorated as a captain in he Iraqi army in both WW II and in battles against Qurds..he later became the director of the Department of Health in Kuwait...and yes, I live in Mexico...but lived in Portugal too...too bad you didn't know me then because then I would have been Portugeuse, lol.

..I know lots of "us" and I don't call them either.


You can block your number or use someone elses phone...just call me and lets talk.

...don;t want to. You sound incredibly dull and stupid too...what would a phone conservation prove?


If you can prove that you are Assyrian or at least speak my language then we can start from there.

..I told you, kalba brun kalba, I am NOT assyrian...I am from a Nestorian family and was born in Baghdad...I used to think I was assyrian, but that was before I actually thought about it and then read about.

BTW...Look at the battle we have had with the Coptic Christians of Egypt and look how long its been going on? They refer to us as Ashuri and as funny as it is we will not reach heaven so they say.

...you look at it...I'm still wondering when you're going to stop blowing smoke from your ass and actually deal with the issues raised...what do Copts have to do with this discussion?


The bottomline is they recognize that we are Assyrian/Ashuri and have for well over 100 years.

..and we said you were invented in the 1840s...that's over 170 years ago, your point?

Once again if I were Aramean then I would fully understand their language...at least more than 50% but I'm telling you ...I dont understand them. They are our brothers...BIBLICALLY Aram - Ashur!! Please call


...that's because of dialects and geographical distances...the people of Paris speak a different French from the people of Gascony...the Basques are not understood by the Spanish and vice versa...so?


....you still fail to address the issues raised...I mean no one is surprised, because better people than you have tried arguing with Dr Joseph and have failed, miserably....we don;t expect you to actually be able to deal with any of this in a serious way, which is the whole POINT to having this site: to give those of you who think you can, the chance to display your mighty ignorance and folly....

..and, coming soon to a theatre near you will be an article for Wikipedia which will displace that awful one you boys wrote for them on assyrians...they themselves have put out a call asking for some expert to weigh in...and that's just what's going to happen...Dr Joseph is just the man they're looking for...what we dearly want is for all of you to write the administrators there and bring your maps and pillows and cookies...tell THEM all this garbage you tell us...tell them about the Copts and what this one says and what that one said...PLEASE!

I'll be writing the article, with any help I can from our pals here, but we will be quoting Dr Joseph all the way...AND his sources...AND the bibliography...against that you can bring Aprim, and Jassim and Rosie'Malek...let's have these discussions out in the open for a change...all we've seen of you people is your tail end as you run out of here....let's see you over at Wikipedia....kay?



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