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In The Same Vein
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Friday, April 15 2011, 10:43:57 (UTC)
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Dawkins offers another, similar point this time from the "respected" journalist Muriel Gray....

"Everyone is being blamed, from the obvious villainous duo of George W. Bush and Tony Blair, to the inaction of the Muslim 'communities'. But it has never been clearer that there is only one place to lay the blame and it has ever been thus. The cause of all the misery, mayhem, violence, and terror and ignorance is of course religion itself, and it seems ludicrous to have to state the obvious reality, the fact is that the government and the media are doing a pretty good job of pretending that isn't so."

...of course she means Islam.

Her condemnation is most true of Christianity, but not to the same degree about Islam. It is not Islam that has gone evangelizing....it is not Islam which has travelled thousands of miles from its own shores to attack innocent people. These people react as if the greatest threat of all from any religion is from Islam...which is ludicrous if these "scientists" would go on looking for the facts they so ardently admire where bugs and atoms are concerned...this is where you can tell their Christianity has poisoned their minds too, as it "poisons eveything" (which is after all part of Hitchen's book title), as these same people admit at other times...but in the case of Islam they actually believe they are being scientific and factual and seeking out evidence for what turns out to be nothing more than the usual religion-bashing of Christians against OTHER religions, though in the case of these so-called atheists they would claim otherwise...that science and "evidence" informs their attitudes towards Islam and not the same dreary religious bias of their contemporary Christians, who still happen to believe. Or, perhaps they lend themselves to the political/economic goals of their respective countries, using a religion-is-awful argument to single out Islam for military and economic conquest...much the same as the Conquistadors and the Church used religion and the saving of pagan souls as the excuse by which they stole a hemisphere and murdered its people.

I don't doubt that Hitchens and the rest of them truly despise Christianity...but I don't believe they are being neutral, scientific or fair in their condemnation of Islam, especially not as the worst of the lot.

Afraid of Islam? Why? because Muslims are willing to take desperate means to defend themselves? Well then don't attack them, treat them fairly and with respect and see , or look back, and ask when they ever attacked YOU? Did the United States declare war on Japan because of Jesus? Or was it because we were attacked by the Japanese. What the hell did Jesus have to do with it, except we enlisted him on our side...as Muslims take Muhammad with them.

Which religion, in the last 70 years, tried to wipe out an entire religious group? Which religion brought two world wars...which religion has armed itself to the teeth, with nuclear weapons as well? Which religion is even now expanding its wars of "liberation"? Is it Islam which has brought so much violence and suffering to the world or is it Christianity?

Muslims are not fighting back because of Muhammad...or because they hate Jesus....just as much a lie as the claim that Muslims are out to destroy Christianity when they had centuries to do so in their own lands and never did but on the contrary and to this day afforded Christians and Jews religious rights and freedoms they never received from Christians. Muslims are not out looking for Paradise by murdering Christians...if it was a part of their religion hundreds and thousands would be doing such things...but it isn't and they aren't. Muslims are fighting back because they are tried of being ATTACKED, by Christians...not because of Paradise or Muhammad or Jesus. To think they would be okay with all this violence visited on them of only they had a different god is ludicrous..and yet that's what these scientists and athiests are claiming, or implying. "Islam" is the problem, not the murder by starvation of 700,000 Iraqi babies whose parents only seek revenge because of Muhammad. And, if he had never existed and there was no Islam, those grieving parents would be just fine, just fine. As if Christian parents wouldn't want blood if this had happened to their children.

If any nation or people on earth is committing acts of barbaric cruelty in the name of a religious figure it is the United States and in the name of Jesus. That isn't opinion, it's solid, scientific FACT backed by all sorts of evidence as plain and available to me as it is to Hitchens, Harris and, sadly,
Dawkins too.

Had those two "obvious" villains, George Bush and Tony Blair and their religion, NOT been leaders of the two countries which have been toying with and abusing the MidEast since WW I, there would have been no attack on 9/11, if indeed Muslims had anything to do with it. Yes, fundamental Islam might have gone on in the grip of religious extremists to control and dominate and stifle perhaps their own people...but this is THEIR business and the people would deal with it in time (as several secular Muslim nations were on their way to achieving)...but they were NOT exporting violence and starting illegal wars, as the Christian West has been doing for ages and still is. They would have remained a "terror" at home and to their own people and never gone looking for a fight anywhere...as the entire Arab world has given up on fighting Israel, a European colony from another age.

Where the world and international realtions have been concerned, Islam has been peaceful and mild...minding its own business and never starting wars anywhere or in any way risking the safety of our planet. And if they have an extremist and deplorable faction, well, I wouldn't want to be ruled by the Catholic Right...or by Mormons, or by Evangelicals. They have their horrors and we have ours...but they keep their horrors at home.



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