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Re: Bombshell: Israeli intelligence posed as CIA to recruit terror group...
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Some interesting commments:

Keith says:

January 13, 2012 at 6:04 pm

One of the functions that Israel performs for the empire is to perform certain tasks which the US doesn’t want to be identified with. They have been doing this for a long time. I am very suspicious of any “leak” from unnamed officials which tends to absolve Uncle Sam from some covert operation.




Jeffrey Blankfort says:

January 13, 2012 at 10:06 pm

Keith, that is an excuse that has been offered for years to justify the mistaken notion that Israel serves as a “policeman on the beat” for the US as Chomsky described it. Israeli agents have been carrying out assassinations and terror bombings over the years that were not connected with US foreign policy. One might say that in recent years, as the control of Israel and its domestic agents aka The Zionist Establishment over Washington has been impossible to deny, the US has adopted Israel’s enemies as its own and instead of Israel doing services for the US it has been the other way around, whether it is launching a war on Iraq, coming up with the strongest ever sanctions against Iran (over the wishes of Obama and Geitner), and, as is quite possible, backing up Israel in an attack on Iran if it does not bend over and do the attacking itself. In other words, your theory is not only pure BS, it has been used to keep the Palestine solidarity movement from protesting against the Zionist establishment and its stranglehold on Congress. Me? I’m suspicious of anyone who keeps peddling it.




Walid says:

January 14, 2012 at 2:21 am

“I’m suspicious of anyone who keeps peddling it.”

Jeffrey, in light of this not so surprising revelation, do you have a bit of suspicion left to spare on who was behind the Hariri assassination and the half-dozen or so related political ones that followed?




dahoit says:

January 14, 2012 at 1:35 pm

Yeah,what happened to the big report on Hezbollahs involvement they were trumpeting?You can bet the contrived evidence didn’t pass muster.
I’ve always fingered US or Israel,and one possible reason is that being a Sunni and rich,Hariri might have been funding Iraqi resistance and was snuffed,remember it was at the height of the insurgency there. Who knows exactly(its obvious somebody knows,somewhere),but as Syria and Hezbollah were under extreme duress from the leviathan at the time ,their involvement would have been suicidal and stupid,not their usual approach.





Jeffrey Blankfort says:

January 14, 2012 at 4:49 pm

Walid, I have seen an Israeli hand in it from the beginning as well as others that have followed since neither Syria nor Hezbollah stood to gain from his assassination. That it was an outside plot, perhaps involving infiltrators, seems even more likely when one considers that the UN set up a court that was without precedent in order to find the murderer of a person, Hariri, who was nothing more than an ordinary individual, albeit a wealthy and influential one, at the time of his death. No one seems to have questioned that anomaly.

In the past two years, Hezbollah, as well as the Lebanese government, have exposed and arrested a number of Lebanese who were working as Israeli agents and it is quite possible that it was these Lebanese in Israel’s employ who carried out not only that assassination but the others that followed, as well. I am not aware that any of those other murders have been solved.

When I was in Lebanon in 1983 and saw the results of the car and truck bombs I came away with the feeling that I was witnessing the future of a certain kind of warfare in which outsiders play the same role that the FBI played in the US in the 60s with COINTEL. There have been too many strange bombings in Iraq and Syria for example, in which there has been no definitive attribution. At one point, early in the Iraq occupation, two British soldiers were arrested and found to be carrying explosives and disguises. It was a one day story.

Back to Hariri. When something like that happens we need to ask, cui bono? In that case it was clearly Israel.




Les says:

January 14, 2012 at 10:59 am

I would love to hear from Chomsky how this latest event fits in with his theory that Israel does the bidding of the US, and not the other way around.





Keith says:

January 14, 2012 at 3:07 pm

JEFFREY BLANKFORT- “In other words, your theory is not only pure BS, it has been used to keep the Palestine solidarity movement from protesting against the Zionist establishment and its stranglehold on Congress. Me? I’m suspicious of anyone who keeps peddling it.”

Where to begin? My “theory” that Israel has in the past provided arms and training to some of the US death squad democracies in Latin America at US request? That Israel has performed various disreputable services for empire is hardly a “theory.” No doubt, Israel profited from these adventures, however, the US was well aware and supportive of what went on, including Israeli help to apartheid South Africa. The notion that my opinion that the CIA is intimately involved in AfPak covert ops, not the “victim” of Mossad machinations has kept “…the Palestine solidarity movement from protesting against the Zionist establishment and its stranglehold on Congress.” is an outlandish overreaction. Your lifelong emphasis on Zionism and AIPAC seems to blind you to the big picture, and to US culpability. It is one thing to highlight the power of the Zionist lobby, quite another to ignore imperial power seeking, to downplay anything which detracts from you very narrow focus.

An important point needs to be made. I have become aware of a concerted propaganda effort to disassociate the US from active participation in attempts to destabilize Iran. Obama favors negotiations, Israel is forcing a reluctant Uncle Sam to do this or that. The intent seems to be to create the impression that Uncle Sam is some sort of innocent bystander, even as we seek to provoke an Iranian response which can be misrepresented as a provocation requiring a massive US military response. I am not alone in thinking this. Over at Dissident Voice, Michel Chossudovsky writes “Iran is the target of US-Israel-NATO war plans. Advanced weapons systems have been deployed. US and allied Special Forces as well as intelligence operatives are already on the ground inside Iran. US military drones are involved in spying and reconnaissance activities.” The article is titled “Provoking Iran into Firing The First Shot.” Link below.

link to dissidentvoice.org




traintosiberia says:

January 14, 2012 at 3:52 pm

Isarel has helped US in Africa,Latin America, and ME. Other countries have also. Turkey and jordan losta lot economically by supporting Gulf Wars. Saudi Arbai bankrolled it. Pakistan has helped USA from 1980s.So has Egypt and Indonesia to name a few. Pakistan has paid the ultimate price:i.e its potential dissolution.But one striking differences between Israel and the rest is that when Isreali interest is at stake ,even in a situation where American interest will be hurt, it is the Israeli economic,political.and military interests that will be protected by US through its Congress /Senate and the media.




Citizen says:

January 14, 2012 at 4:41 pm

Historians agree that Israel has been assassinating foreigners it does not like since it was born in 1948. The enmeshment of Israelis and dual loyalty jews in our government has morphed traditional Amerian values into Israeli values; the tail really does wag the big goy dog.





Avi_G. says:

January 13, 2012 at 11:49 pm

If that is your assessment, they you have very little understanding of the power dynamics between the two parties, Israel and the US. Need I elaborate?





Jeffrey Blankfort says:

January 14, 2012 at 12:26 am

Avi, I have been studying and documenting the Israel-US relationship for many years and I have more than enough information in my files to back up every allegation I make about that relationship. If you disagree with my analysis, fine, but please tell me where what I wrote to Keith was wrong. Yes, you do need to elaborate.





Avi_G. says:

January 14, 2012 at 8:35 am


Jeffrey,

My post was directed at Keith. I should have either quoted him or addressed him by name to avoid this misunderstanding. Mea Culpa.





Jeffrey Blankfort says:

January 14, 2012 at 3:38 pm

Got it, Avi. I admit your post was surprising. Given that different people are posting at the same time we are, we never are sure exactly where our post is going to land,





Keith says:

January 14, 2012 at 7:12 pm


AVI_G- “If that is your assessment, they you have very little understanding of the power dynamics between the two parties, Israel and the US. Need I elaborate?”

Perhaps a review of the global power dynamics is in order. Let us begin with what should be obvious, but is repeatedly ignored. The US is a capitalist “democracy.” In other words, capital rules. Those who control the flow of large amounts of money have the real power and call the shots. Currently, the most powerful economic sector is financial, Wall Street effectively runs the empire. The function of government under this system is to manage the country and empire in such a way as to achieve elite objectives. Neither Barack Obama nor Benyamin Netanyahu have the freedom of action you imagine.

With this in mind, the notion that the tail wags the dog implies that Wall Street takes its marching orders from Israel, a notion that I find ludicrous. While AIPAC is indeed influential, I seriously doubt that it would get in a confrontation with Wall Street or the military-industrial complex. Obviously, war-mongering appeals to both sectors and they get along quite well. You should be aware, however, that imperial power seeking is not a consequence of Israeli interference. No doubt they exert an influence over US Middle East policy, but the notion of a reluctant empire being dragged into these conflicts isn’t credible. I seriously doubt that Bibi Netanyahu has significant influence over the likes of Lloyd Blankfein or Jamie Dimon.

The empire is in a period of transition, attempting to utilize full spectrum dominance to lock in imperial control into the twenty-first century. A new empire based as much on financial control as military. The US is currently engaged in an effort to eliminate potential rivals for planetary dominance, to militarily crush the weaker ones such as Iran and their smaller allies, and to gain absolute control over vital resources such as oil and natural gas so as to keep Russia and China dependent upon US favor. In this regard, the empire is currently engaged in various stages of military action in over 7 countries- Iraq, Afghanistan (Pakistan?), Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Syria and Iran, and is shifting forces to the Far East to threaten China. The imperial leviathan is on a rampage. If things go as planned, Israeli elites will likely benefit. If thing go seriously awry, none of us may survive to argue about it.

While I am at it, let me recommend a book many will find informative. “The Global Economic Crisis: The Great Depression of the XXI Century,” Michel Chossudovsky and Andrew Gavin Marshall, Editors. A couple of quotes:

“We are not dealing with a narrowly defined economic crisis or recession. The global financial architecture sustains strategic and national security objectives. In turn, the US-NATO military agenda serves to endorse a powerful business elite which relentlessly overshadows and undermines the civilian government.

Underlying these military agreements, a cohesive US-NATO-Israel military axis has emerged. This powerful alliance is dominated by Washington. The Pentagon ultimately controls the overall process of military decision making to the extent that neither Israel nor a NATO member state can undertake a separate military without the Pentagon’s green light. Moreover, since 2009, Israel’s air defense system is integrated into that of the US and NATO.”




Donald says:

January 14, 2012 at 7:14 pm


“They have been doing this for a long time. I am very suspicious of any “leak” from unnamed officials which tends to absolve Uncle Sam from some covert operation.”

In general I’d agree with you, but here I’m not so sure. Why absolve the US and then blame Israel? Why wouldn’t they just claim that this bunch of terrorists acted independently and neither we nor Israel had anything to do with it? For instance, did the US in 1982 openly admit that the Israelis were helping the Guatemalans commit genocide and did it on their own? No–the Reagan Administration consistently downplayed and whitewashed what its Central American allies were doing and I for one only knew about the Israeli connection from reading Amnesty International reports (and maybe Chomsky, but I can’t recall offhand). That’s the sort of lie I would expect when the US and Israel are acting together to support some murderous group.
Here there is a falling out between them.




NorthOfFortyNine says:

January 13, 2012 at 6:04 pm


Alex: Nice to see this get bumped. As for Israelis pissing off others for using their passports, don’t forget about the canadian incident: link to en.wikipedia.org

And then there was the time Mossad tried to pilfer the New Zealand passport:

link to en.wikipedia.org

The Israelis apologize and say they will never do it again and oh it was a big mistake.

Then they go do it again. They are sociopaths. -N49.

ps — Does eee now understand why so many people hate his “shitty little country”? -N49.




Kathleen says:

January 14, 2012 at 12:49 pm

And Australia



irena says:

January 13, 2012 at 6:19 pm

It really was a shocking article and it is such vital stuff that our media establishment continues to ignore.



seafoid says:

January 13, 2012 at 6:21 pm

“Israel is running fast to kill any chance of of a diplomatic solution to the standoff over Iran”

Iran is not going to be dragged into a war. They know that nuclear weapons will end Israeli hegemony forever. Sumud is the name of the game. Don’t forget that the US doesn’t have the money for another drawn out war. Iraq took 6 years. Afghanistan is going on 11 years. $3 trillion would have done wonders for social securtity and health care in the US. It is all linked.

Last year the UK flew a “senior Taliban negotiator” to London for secret backchannel talks. He was a fake. That is how badly the West does wars in the Middle East.

Israel has nothing to offer the West. A few years ago a french diplomat called it “that sh###y little country”. More and more people are coming around to the view.



pabelmont says:

January 14, 2012 at 1:00 pm

Seafoid: As to USA not having money for another war: A believable economic report says that Iran and China and India and Japan are planning to (or have already) changed from DOLLAR-payments for oil to another “reserve currency” (EURO, YUAN, GOLD). This means (the report says) that various countries which have been happy to hold dollars are or will soon be less willing, and our debt will change from being ridiculous to being unsupportable (my take).

So the USA’s blather about Iran and nukes and regime change may be about reversing this move away from the dollar rather than about human rights (ho hmm) or nukes (ho hum again, Pakistan, Israel, India have nukes, why not Iran?).



dumvitaestspesest says:

January 14, 2012 at 1:18 pm

You maybe very correct, pablemont.
Whatever reasons are, they will push for this war with all their diabolical Might.



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