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Re: Christianity or Islam
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Sunday, September 26 2010, 10:28:26 (UTC)
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Arrow wrote:
>It seems that you are concerned only with the claims that Islam or Muslims are intolerant and violent. Whenever someone says “Muslims did that”, you bring another example which shows that Christians also did a similar thing, if not worse.

...worse...always worse...donīt take my word for it, or your priests or Aprimīs...donīt even take the word of historians...even Christian ones, but at least familiarize yourself with what they say...and decide for yourself.

...I bring Christiany forward because it is Christianity that committed a Holocaust, not Islam...it is Christianity that has started a holy jihad, again, like they did the last time against Jews...I mention Christianity because all over the air waves in several Christian countries Islam is being slandered the way Jews and Judaism were for centuries before...and we all know what that led to...I do it because I would like to think that if I had been alive in 1933 I would have brought forth the truth about Judaism and Jews...and that if enough people had done that we would have saved millions and millions of lives, and not just in the Christian ovens but all over Europe and Asia as a result of that war. I do it because we have to stop this train now or it will harm all of us....you canīt spread that much hatred without it coming back to hurt you as well.
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>But if you were to choose between Christianity and Islam (no third option), which one would you prefer? Which one would you want your children, your society, or the future generations to follow?

...that is a loaded question...you are assuming that the United States was intended to be a Christian nation...it was not. Also, what we have to thank in Western nations is not Christianity but just the opposite, that in the West the power of the church was broken centuries ago....had it not been, modern Christian nations would be even more backward now and barbaric ( as we see them becoming "under god") than you believe Muslim nations are.

...I would LOVE to be able to go back and live in the Muslim nation of Iraq, even under Saddam...even though he was an American puppet...but Christians have so muddied the waters in the MidEast, have deposed legitimate governments, and even now are propping up dictators who use and abuse their people just as America did for decades in Latin America...it is not a fair question...while Christian nations rule the world and can play with others at will, modern Islam has been under seige for centuries by Christian nations so that what we witness in the MidEast today is not Islam, but reactionary and conservative Islam, scared and angry Islam, as well as compromised and sold-out Islam, much of it fighting back, finally. These are hardly neutral conditions. My preference, and even the preference of Muslims now to live in Western nations has nothing to do with the "evils" of Ialsm but everything to do with the wars that Christianity has brought to that region. Many Latins escaped north to America, not because they prefered American Christianity or culture but because their own countries and economies were bein ruined...and not by Islam but by Christian nations.

...your question is very like a Christian burning down a Muslimīs home, or country, making sure that only puppets come to power, leaving rack and ruin behind in that house while at the same time robbing the world of its resources to build his own mansion...and then asking me, "from a purely religious preference point of view, "whose house and under whose religion would you prefer to live"? That choice has nothing to do with religion.

...I can honestly say that I would prefer to live among Muslims IF Christians would satop burning down their homes and causing them to turn against Christians...itīs a loaded question becasue the United States is, not yet anyway, run on Christian principles...far from it.

...like I said before Islam is overdue for a Renaissance...but they canīt have one because the West keeps bombing them back to their own dark ages...what we see today are not Muslim nations at peace...we see them all under attack or the threat of attack....who would choose to live in any country, under any religion, that was so ganged up on...countries against whom Christian nations can declare war at any time, starving children to death...countries reduced to rubble, their infrastructure blown to bits, their wealth being sucked off and with a terrorist nation planted among them which must do Christian bidding or else...it is not Islam that is the problem..it is not Islam that makes me not want to live among Muslims, or have my children grow up among Muslims...it is Christianity that has made life, for anyone, difficult in Muslim nations...and after having done all this...you come asking where I would prefer to live, as if all that was involved in the choice was simply which RELIGION I would prefer to live under...

Iran,before the United States installed the Ayatollahīs was becoming a delightful place to live, even with the rampant poverty...and many many Persians were sad and mad as hell that they had to leave...but it wasnīt Islam that forced them out but rather Christian meddling...Iraq under Saddm was becoming ahaven as well....with many Christian enjoying life to the point that they laughed at the idea of moving to Disneyland. These countries were still reeling from the last world war, brought to the world by Christians, like the one before it...had they been given a chance at growth for 200 or 300 years they would have become the delight of the world...as Beirut once was...an absolutely wonderful and tolerant and joyous place to live...it wasnīt Islam that destroyed Beirut by Christian nations.

You know, part of the reason we have such a crop of Muslim-haters and bigots is because of what I alluded to in another post when I mentioned that my family was lucky in that my grandfather was allowed an education for his children...this was not available to other recent refugees who had yet again turned traitors to their nation of residence...for that reason alone assyrian refugees were consigned to poverty and ignorance,except for what lies and propaganda and hate they learned from their village priests...they remained poor, at the bottom of the economic scale, they never mixed with any but the lowest levels of Muslim society...it would be like being forced to live with the hillbilly Christians of Appalachia in some Cow Holler and coming away thinking that THOSE were representative of all Christians, even those at the top of Boston society...most assyrians knew only the worst examples of Muslim culture...but that was poverty and ignorance and prejudice, not Islam...that was the same you would find at the lower end of ANY society..and yet you all formed your views from that experience....

I knew Muslims of a class and level and distinction you would WISH to know.

But to answer your question I can tell you that there was a time when our own people chose not to live among Christian nations,a time when they welcomed Arabs as saviors..a time when Christians escaped from Christian lands to live among the Turks...that was a time when Christianity did not rule...but only persecuted.

Get Christianity OFF the backs of Muslims and see how many people prefer to live in those countries...their new day will come....and will come faster and better if Christians will stop declaring wars against them...when Japan declared war on the United States we saw what happened to Japanese Americans...that was not a fair time to ask a Japanese person "where would you rather live...among Christians or Buddhists?

and ps...I have wanted to leave the United States for 35 years and can finally do it...though I live in yet another "Christian" country, one which also broke the back of its church...I hope someday to settle in the MidEast....some day when Christians stop destroying those lands and asking, "where would YOU rather live"?



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