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Re: In Which Xenophon And We Get It Wrong
Posted by Maggie (Guest) - Sunday, February 25 2007, 10:38:12 (CET)
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You call a three-page post short and simple?

The Aechemenid Period begins 645 B.C. and ends at 330 B.C.
The Peleponesian War began 431 B.C. and ended at 404 B.C
Anabasis covers from 431 B.C. to 360 B. C.

Everything I said about Anabasis was correct and accurate, except that I made a mistake of calling it a Diary of the "Peloponesian War" instead of the "Persian Expedition," which is what Anabasis means, an "expedition". so yes, please don't call me names for one mistake.

I apologize, I don't really don't know why I said Peleponesian, I guess I was tired, and in a hurry, and going by memory. Perhaps I was thinking about Thucidedes who wrote the Pelopenesian Wars, a book I have been re-reading recently.

The point was, all writers will use certain sources to prove their theory, which is why no doubt Dr. Joseph uses Xenephon to illustrate his point, which he wasn't able to prove anything any way, because he didn't realize that Xenephon had written other books, in which he did use the words Assyrian and Assyria. That is my contention. He blew himself out of the water by using Xenephon, and only one source by Xenephon, but he still does NOT, and I repeat does NOT prove his case. A scientist must have a hypothesis, and take certain measures, which are based on "scientific" and "empirical" evidence, and empiricism is based on the senses, so that the evidence gathered can be seen, felt, heard, smelled, etc. In that regard, Dr. Joseph cannot prove we are not Assyrians by a history book, no matter what sources he uses. Furthermore, the criteria established by the researching scientist must be able to be used across the board when comparing it to or distinguishing it from any OTHER group. In other words, once the criteria is established by the hypothesis, then it will be used as a tool to measure other groups in the same manner. In this regard, Dr. Joseph will have a hard time proving anything, unless we want to go back to the beginning of the Paleolithic era, when we formed tribes, right out of the caves, and how we got to this point. And if we were to use Dr. Josehph's criteria on all human groups, then no one is what they are today.

But there's an issue even more complex than all this, and that is religion. Because man comes out of the cave having already formed a religion. It is these religions that will determine the outcome of a particular culture. And I think there's a lot to be said about that, which is where you and I are at right now, and very curious. Religion, more than anything has played the biggest role in shaping humanity and its cultures. You and I studied Sociology, and as sociologists, we have to cherish each and every culture, preserve it, value its contribution to life itself, and therefore to not let it face extinction. In other words, once something forms, we cannot force it to go back to the way it was, but value it for what it is.

Where I start in my series of articles is religion and its impact and power on the formation of Assyrian culture beginning with the paleolithic age and am slowly going through all the religious phases, the rites, the beliefs, the celebrations, and to show how the Mesopotamian culture and religion shaped the whole world, and what are some of the by-products of such a phenomenon. IT will make a good discussion and debate.

Since you are such a worthy opponent, I would love to move forward with you on this forum to discuss these things, even if superficially, knowing we cannot do justice to any kind of scholarly work with a post written in a few minutes on a forum. I don't have enough time to do it here and in the articles I am working on, so that's why I say superficially. I must focus on the articles themselves, which can lead to real duels, with real swords.

By the way, I never said the Kurds don't have a history, Dr. Donny George said it in Zinda Magazine. So you must have me mixed up with what he said. But in all fairness to the Kurds and Dr. George, the Kurds were originally an Iranian tribe, called Karduchian from Kardu-Khoi, (probably from modern Khoi in Iran). Xenephon refers to them as the Karduchian tribe, but they were not in Mesopotamia, they were on the other side of the mountains of Bet-Nahrain, the other side of the Zagros mountains, which means they don't belong in Arbil, Mosul, Nineveh, but they slowly crossed the mountains in search of a better life and riches, and landed in Mesopotamia, or modern Iraq. That was nearly 500 years AFTER the fall of Nineveh, so we outdo them by a few thousand years, which is why I said if we were to base things on territory, region, or on "Geographical realities" we can prove we were there first.



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