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Re: Peter bet Basoo
Posted by Rashad (Guest) - Saturday, September 18 2010, 20:17:29 (UTC)
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>He is another hero of Assyria and the likes of Bet Shlimon or Fred Aprim. They are all know it alls and studying anything scholarly is not necessary because they already and always know the truth. The rest of us who spent hours of our lives reading and researching are just a bunch of fools for doing that. All we have to do is ask those heroes since they already know the "truth". In 2001, Peter betbasoo, the boss of aina, wrote something to a speech made by a woman that praised Islamic civilisation. Of course, he took objection to that and attempted to educate her. I don't know if she took him serious or responded but I can set him straight. I always wanted a piece of this dude but I couldn't get a hold of him. I even emailed him few years ago but got no response. I suppose he has no time to waste with people like me. I will go ahead and post what he wrote and respond to it. Maybe some hero will run into this someday and tell him that some guy on pancho's site is challenging you.
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>Here it goes:
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>"November 7, 2001
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>Carly Fiorina
>Hewlett-Packard
>3000 Hanover Street
>Palo Alto, CA 94304-1185
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>Dear Madame Fiorina:
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>It is with great interest that I read your speech delivered on September 26, 2001, titled "Technology, Business and Our way of Life: What's Next" [sic]. I was particularly interested in the story you told at the end of your speech, about the Arab/Muslim civilization. As an Assyrian, a non-Arab, Christian native of the Middle East, whose ancestors reach back to 5000 B.C., I wish to clarify some points you made in this little story, and to alert you to the dangers of unwittingly being drawn into the Arabist/Islamist ideology, which seeks to assimilate all cultures and religions into the Arab/Islamic fold.
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>I know you are a very busy woman, but please find ten minutes to read what follows, as it is a perspective that you will not likely get from anywhere else. I will answer some of the specific points you made in your speech, then conclude with a brief perspective on this Arabist/Islamist ideology.
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>Arabs and Muslims appeared on the world scene in 630 A.D., when the armies of Muhammad began their conquest of the Middle East. We should be very clear that this was a military conquest, not a missionary enterprise, and through the use of force, authorized by a declaration of a Jihad against infidels, Arabs/Muslims were able to forcibly convert and assimilate non-Arabs and non-Mulsims into their fold. Very few indigenous communities of the Middle East survived this -- primarily Assyrians, Jews, Armenians and Coptics (of Egypt).


Oh really? So there were no Arabs prior to 630 AD? And yes it was a military conquest or how else does one conquer? What about the Persian, Byzantium, Roman and other conquests? Or what about the ancient Assyrian conquests? How did they do it? So yes even the Islamic conquest of Mesopotamia was accomplished militarily but it was not only to conquer land but to liberate the oppressed and to also make Islam available to those willing to accept it. Your "declaration of jihad" is a lie" because the Jews and Christians were not harmed by the conquests except those who were at war with them.


>Having conquered the Middle East, Arabs placed these communities under a Dhimmi (see the book Dhimmi, by Bat Ye'Or) system of governance, where the communities were allowed to rule themselves as religious minorities (Christians, Jews and Zoroastrian). These communities had to pay a tax (called a Jizzya in Arabic) that was, in effect, a penalty for being non-Muslim, and that was typically 80% in times of tolerance and up to 150% in times of oppression. This tax forced many of these communities to convert to Islam, as it was designed to do.


Do I really have to respond to this jizya bullshit that you people know nothing of? I would be a millionaire if someone would give me a penny for each time I respond to this Christian lie. Your claims are not only false but one of your usual lies. You couldn't even support with any reliable historian so you picked this bigoted Jewess who is not a historian nor quoted by historians. Her "book" is purely based on her hatred and a lie. She quotes what priests had told her about jizya and we are to take that as "fact"? Again, produce real evidence for your lies, okay? The Jizya was never very high and I can go ahead and refute your source with one of your own Christians who was a missionary and a respectable and prominent historian. Here is Sir Thomas Arnold on Dhimmis:

"There is abundant evidence to show that the Christians in the early days of the Muhammadan conquest had little to complain of in the way of religious disabilities. It is true that adherence to their ancient faith rendered them obnoxious to the payment of Jizyah – a word originally denoted tribute of any kind paid by the non-Muslim subjects of the Arab empire, but came later on to be used for the capitation-tax as the fiscal system of the new rulers became fixed [2]; but this Jizyah was too moderate to constitute a burden, seeing that it released them from the compulsory military service that was incumbent on their Muslim fellow-subjects. Conversion to Islam was certainly attended by a certain pecuniary advantage, but his former religion could have had but little hold on a convert who abandoned it merely to gain exemption from the jizyah; and now instead of jizyah, the convert has to pay the legal alms, zakat, annually levied on most kinds of movable and immovable property. [3]"


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>You state, "its architects designed buildings that defied gravity." I am not sure what you are referring to, but if you are referring to domes and arches, the fundamental architectural breakthrough of using a parabolic shape instead of a spherical shape for these structures was made by the Assyrians more than 1300 years earlier, as evidenced by their archaeological record.


Of course you provide nothing to confirm your comments.


>You state, "its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption." The fundamental basis of modern mathematics had been laid down not hundreds but thousands of years before by Assyrians and Babylonians, who already knew of the concept of zero, of the Pythagorean Theorem, and of many, many other developments expropriated by Arabs/Muslims (see History of Babylonian Mathematics, Neugebauer).

I suppose it's a conspiracy against your people then? Every one who knows anything about this know that Algebra was invented by a Muslim whose name was Al Jabri. So you go argue with the rest of the world.


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>You state, "its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease." The overwhelming majority of these doctors (99%) were Assyrians. In the fourth, fifth, and sixth centuries Assyrians began a systematic translation of the Greek body of knowledge into Assyrian. At first they concentrated on the religious works but then quickly moved to science, philosophy and medicine. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Galen, and many others were translated into Assyrian, and from Assyrian into Arabic. It is these Arabic translations which the Moors brought with them into Spain, and which the Spaniards translated into Latin and spread throughout Europe, thus igniting the European Renaissance.


Again, you provide no sources or evidence for your claims. First of all, Assyrians didn't do anything because there were no such people when Muslims came to Mesopotamia. The syriacs worked together with Arabs and yes scientific works were translated into Arabic but the Muslim scientists added their own achievements on top of those and passed them to the west. Even Atheists praise the Muslim golden age and you fools can't recognise because hatred has blinded you.


>By the sixth century A.D., Assyrians had begun exporting back to Byzantia their own works on science, philosophy and medicine. In the field of medicine, the Bakhteesho Assyrian family produced nine generations of physicians, and founded the great medical school at Gundeshapur (Iran). Also in the area of medicine, (the Assyrian) Hunayn ibn-Ishaq's textbook on ophthalmology, written in 950 A.D., remained the authoritative source on the subject until 1800 A.D.


There were no "Assyrians" in this time.

>In the area of philosophy, the Assyrian philosopher Job of Edessa developed a physical theory of the universe, in the Assyrian language, that rivaled Aristotle's theory, and that sought to replace matter with forces (a theory that anticipated some ideas in quantum mechanics, such as the spontaneous creation and destruction of matter that occurs in the quantum vacuum).


I can't wait to get to the bottom of this to view your sources.


>One of the greatest Assyrian achievements of the fourth century was the founding of the first university in the world, the School of Nisibis, which had three departments, theology, philosophy and medicine, and which became a magnet and center of intellectual development in the Middle East. The statutes of the School of Nisibis, which have been preserved, later became the model upon which the first Italian university was based (see The Statutes of the School of Nisibis, by Arthur Voobus).

Sorry but Al Azhar put that school to shame few centuries later.


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>When Arabs and Islam swept through the Middle East in 630 A.D., they encountered 600 years of Assyrian Christian civilization, with a rich heritage, a highly developed culture, and advanced learning institutions. It is this civilization that became the foundation of the Arab civilization.

It wasn't 630 AD but okay. What they really encountered was dark ages and Christian sects who were persecuted by other Christians. I suppose you believe there was an Assyria in 630 AD and nobody was ruling it but your own people? You were on your knees and Byzantium was drooling to get their hands on you people but the Muslims saved your assess from that. They gave you dhimmi status which was a great thing for you and they accepted all Christians regardless of denominations as people of the book.




>You state, "Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration." This is a bit melodramatic. In fact, the astronomers you refer to were not Arabs but Chaldeans and Babylonians (of present day south-Iraq), who for millennia were known as astronomers and astrologers, and who were forcibly Arabized and Islamized -- so rapidly that by 750 A.D. they had disappeared completely.

Actually, the ancient Chaldeans are believed to have been Arabs themselves but that's ok. Nobody was forced into Islam but I challenge you to bring your evidence and I will take your pants off.


>You state, "its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things." There is very little literature in the Arabic language that comes from this period you are referring to (the Koran is the only significant piece of literature), whereas the literary output of the Assyrians and Jews was vast. The third largest corpus of Christian writing, after Latin and Greek, is by the Assyrians in the Assyrian language (also called Syriac; see here.)

Arabs were known for their poems and writings. This is acknowledged by western writers who actually research and have real degrees unlike you people who can't sit in class and pay attention to anything real.


>You state, "when other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others." This is a very important issue you raise, and it goes to the heart of the matter of what Arab/Islamic civilization represents. I reviewed a book titled How Greek Science Passed to the Arabs, in which the author lists the significant translators and interpreters of Greek science. Of the 22 scholars listed, 20 were Assyrians, 1 was Persian and 1 an Arab. I state at the end of my review: "The salient conclusion which can be drawn from O'Leary's book is that Assyrians played a significant role in the shaping of the Islamic world via the Greek corpus of knowledge. If this is so, one must then ask the question, what happened to the Christian communities which made them lose this great intellectual enterprise which they had established. One can ask this same question of the Arabs. Sadly, O'Leary's book does not answer this question, and we must look elsewhere for the answer." I did not answer this question I posed in the review because it was not the place to answer it, but the answer is very clear, the Christian Assyrian community was drained of its population through forced conversion to Islam (by the Jizzya), and once the community had dwindled below a critical threshold, it ceased producing the scholars that were the intellectual driving force of the Islamic civilization, and that is when the so called "Golden Age of Islam" came to an end (about 850 A.D.).
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It is true that the world was in darkness. I mean your Christians in Europe were peasants and sleeping next ti pigs, they showered once a year and wiped their arses with cloths just as they still do today while Arabs is third world countries still use water and soap for that because they care for being clean. The forced to Islam claim is a big fat lie. You can't accept the fact that the Nestorians and other Syriacs became Muslims by the bunch and left Christianity which had been a living hell for them since they were first brought into it. They weren't forced to Islam but they were forced into your Christianity and Christian historians say so.


>Islam the religion itself was significantly molded by Assyrians and Jews (see Nestorian Influence on Islam and Hagarism: the Making of the Islamic World).

The book you use as your source is completely based on opinion, and myths by the two authors. I guess if I bring any "book" it is held valid, right? This book has been criticised and long rejected by western historians and those wanting to know what is true. There are even more books about how Christianity was copied and influenced by pagan religions. After all, your silly jew boy cracka Jesus sure resembles the man gods of the Roman-Greco world, why is that?


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>Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive force, it is a regressive force; it does not give impetus, it retards. The great civilization you describe was not an Arab/Muslim accomplishment, it was an Assyrian accomplishment that Arabs expropriated and subsequently lost when they drained, through the forced conversion of Assyrians to Islam, the source of the intellectual vitality that propelled it. What other Arab/Muslim civilization has risen since? What other Arab/Muslim successes can we cite?

For the millionth time, there were no Assyrians in this time and your silly forced conversion statement has long been refuted by historians. You are just an amateur just like myself except I can support my views with historians of high eminence while you bring silly bigots who have a degree in some other subject.


>You state, "and perhaps we can learn a lesson from his [Suleiman] example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions." In fact, the Ottomans were extremely oppressive to non-Muslims. For example, young Christian boys were forcefully taken from their families, usually at the age of 8-10, and inducted into the Janissaries, (yeniceri in Turkish) where they were Islamized and made to fight for the Ottoman state. What literary, artistic or scientific achievements of the Ottomans can we point to? We can, on the other hand, point to the genocide of 750,000 Assyrians, 1.5 million Armenians and 400,000 Greeks in World War One by the Kemalist "Young Turk" government. This is the true face of Islam.

Suleyman the magnificent was praised by western writers even by Christians who were oppressed by other Christians. And here is another lie. The Turks did not accept non-Turks into their armies even if they were Muslims. The Turkish army was purely Turk and that is all there is to it. Secondly, the young Turks and Kemal never called themselves Muslims. They were purely Turkish nationalists with no care for religion. And your numbers are a bunch of dog shit.



>Arabs/Muslims are engaged in an explicit campaign of destruction and expropriation of cultures and communities, identities and ideas. Wherever Arab/Muslim civilization encounters a non-Arab/Muslim one, it attempts to destroy it (as the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan were destroyed, as Persepolis was destroyed by the Ayotollah Khomeini). This is a pattern that has been recurring since the advent of Islam, 1400 years ago, and is amply substantiated by the historical record. If the "foreign" culture cannot be destroyed, then it is expropriated, and revisionist historians claim that it is and was Arab, as is the case of most of the Arab "accomplishments" you cited in your speech. For example, Arab history texts in the Middle East teach that Assyrians were Arabs, a fact that no reputable scholar would assert, and that no living Assyrian would accept. Assyrians first settled Nineveh, one of the major Assyrian cities, in 5000 B.C., which is 5630 years before Arabs came into that area. Even the word 'Arab' is an Assyrian word, meaning "Westerner" (the first written reference to Arabs was by the Assyrian King Sennacherib, 800 B.C., in which he tells of conquering the "ma'rabayeh" -- Westerners. See The Might That Was Assyria, by H. W. F. Saggs).
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>Even in America this Arabization policy continues. On October 27th a coalition of seven Assyrian and Maronite organizations sent an official letter to the Arab American Institute asking it to stop identifying Assyrians and Maronites as Arabs, which it had been deliberately doing.
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>There are minorities and nations struggling for survival in the Arab/Muslim ocean of the Middle East and Africa (Assyrians, Armenians, Coptics, Jews, southern Sudanese, Ethiopians, Nigerians...), and we must be very sensitive not to unwittingly and inadvertently support Islamic fascism and Arab Imperialism, with their attempts to wipe out all other cultures, religions and civilizations. It is incumbent upon each one of us to do our homework and research when making statements and speeches about these sensitive matters.
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>I hope you found this information enlightening. For more information, refer to the web links below. You may contact me at keepa@ninevehsoft.com for further questions.
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>Thank you for your consideration.
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>Peter BetBasoo
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>Web resources:
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>Brief History of Assyrians
>Assyrian International News Agency
>Assyrian American National Federation
>Assyrian Academic Society
>Zinda Magazine
>Beth Suryoyo
>Nineveh Online
>World Maronite Union
>Maronite Research Council
>World Lebanese Organization
>Coptic Web"

Here is the best part of all. All these sources but who are they and what are their credibility? A Nazi using Nazi sources. If only Muslims were allowed to use Muslim historians in their support but even the Muslim historians are not this silly.



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