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Re: Why Are You People So Predicatble?
Posted by rico suave (Guest) - Friday, September 18 2009, 2:54:29 (CEST)
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"...Christians forced Muslims and Jews to wear distinct clothing too, also placed them in ghettos and exiled them after confiscating their property...also treated them as worthy of death and persecution, also treated other Christians as second and third-class citizens of their own countries....this is nothing new or exclusively suffered by Christians...let us remind you that Dr. Donny George, one of us, was the director for all antiquities in Iraq..also that Tariq Aziz, another Christian, was foreign minister...my own father reached the rank of major in the Iraq army and worked as a doctor...and many other Christians did well and lived good lives...all of this was ruined, not by Islam, but by European and American, mostly missionary, interference, that is before this most recent jihad against the people of Iraq...by CHRISTIAN nations....."

WHo is defending the crimes of the West against Iraq? Your citation of prominent Christian Iraqi figures in the secular regime of Saddam Hussein betrays the assertion that you and your ideological brethren make that Christians acted as a traitorous fifth column in Iraq. So which is it? Are Christians loyal Iraqis or traitors? But let's look at the situation now: Is there any chance in hell that a Christian would rise to deputy Prime Minister under these Islamist buffoons who are ruining Iraq today? Of course not. Why? It's unacceptable to Muslims to have a Christian reach such positions of power.
As well, it is ethically suspect, when confronted with accusations of human rights violations of one group against another to say that other people do more of it. Where did you learn to debate? The school of deflection and distraction?


"the bombing of their churches,"

...how many mosques and hospitals and schools have been bombed? If the United States feels justified in attacking Iraq, a country from which not ONE person participated in the events of 9/11, but nevertheless has waged a war of retaliation based on lies...do you think it's wrong for Muslims to be pissed at such Christian nations? Why do you never look to the enormous crimes Christianity has visited on people but only fault them for daring to strike back, or defend themselves?"

You cannot equate the bombing of mosques and churches by a foreign army with the attacks against Iraqi citizens by other Iraqi citizens. Iraqi Christians are IRAQIS. They had no relationship with the US waging war, and to link them to the US simply because they share the same religion as the majority of Americans is about as illogical and remedial an argument as one can make. It also once again demonstrates that you have no argument, so you must resort to deflections. Well, THEY bombed mosques, therefore it's justified when Muslims bomb churches? What kind of bullshit argument is that? The fact remains that Iraqis of the Christian faith have been targeted precisely because they are Christian. That is not the mark of tolerance, no matter how much you try to spin it.


"...once again, you bring us Church propaganda...the jizya tax was not levied against widows, orphans or the poor but only against men of fighting age, who thereby missed out on wars and stayed with their families instead, something many drafted soldiers would love to be able to do...it was a most reasonable tax and Christian bishops levied far worse ones..so bad that Christians from Slavic countries escaped in the night, with their families and possessions into the Ottoman lands to escape their rapacious taxes, finding life under Islam far preferable.,,,why can none of you bring us PROOF for these claims? Why can none of you find any legitimate historians who back your claims...why? Why are you forced to rely on Aprims and Jassims?

..I asked you to bring us EVIDENCE...evidence like we have posted here from real sources, from authors and historians, many of whom have won Pulitzer and other prizes..who are graduates of the most prestigious universities in the world and who have legitimate publishers...why do you all discount what these people say in favor of the same old statements that are backed by nothing more than your grandmother or priest...bring us REAL evidence."

How ignorant you are. You're telling me you haven't read about the forced ethnic cleansing of Christians from Dora? I'm not talking about jizya from centuries ago. I'm talking about your Muslim brothers who are posting jizya notices on the doors of Christian homes in Dora TODAY and forcing them to leave their houses. Is this what you are defending? How sad you support such barbarism and inhumanity.



"....they were not considered equal by any means..."

At least you admit they are not considered equal, they are treated as dirty kuffar and you know it.


"...Personally I think it would be best for them to get out...as you did."

And here it is: You support the ethnic cleansing of Christians from their native lands. And why did I leave you ask? Because my family was threatened with death because we are Christian. So really, you can defend such crimes until the sun sets, but all it shows is that you are a person with no moral compass, someone not concerned with human rights or dignity.

"A You want them to stay, no matter what dangers they face, because you want someone to "make a presence" there...but you'd never go yourself."

You are wrong. I am arguing that they should be able to stay in their homes without fearing for their lives. You don't support that? You think they should be driven out? Shouldn't they have the option of remaining in their OWN COUNTRY if they want? Or you'd rather have them become destitute refugees?





"...Muhammad was a MAN, not a God. When Moses, another man, came down from the mountain with his tablets he found his own people worshiping a calf again...he ordered Joshua to kill 3000 of them...men do these kinds of things. Muhammad had a good message for the Arabs but he was faced with hostility from the outset...and he fought back...a very sensible idea...your Jesus was supposedly a God, we don;t expect him to fight, even though others expected it of him...but when his religion was picked up by the Romans, my GOD they made up for lost time and went on a killing rampage that has never stopped."

So, Muhammmad was a man. So what? He committed crimes in the name of religion. All these religions are bullshit. And it's strange that you hold Islam to a different standard.



"...I have provided you with ample evidence for any claims I've made...various historians and authors have stated these things...is everyone who disagrees with your vision prejudiced?...I merely bring them and post them for people to consider. I do not make this stuff up...which I think you do because you offer no proof...no citations, no quotes and no sources...except for what your priests told you...or what you get from "books" published for profit by taxi drivers and engineers. Also, I might add, these historians are all Christians, who you would think would want to do as you do, defend their religion...but they are SCHOLARS, not propagandists, who seek the truth, as best as it can be determined...I asked you for ONE example, from real history, and all you did was give me your own prejudice and them claim I was as prejudiced as you....but I brought evidence and proof to the discussion...you still have not."

Evidence? You provided no evidence. Just your brainwashed rhetoric in defense of war crimes and ethnic cleansing and discrimination.

You want evidence of forced conversion? Just google it and do some research.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1146224.stm

Why don't you go back to Iraq then and see how wonderfully you'll be treated if indeed you are a Christian (which I don't believe). I'm sure you would never return, because you know you'd be treated like a dog. All of us with relatives still in Iraq know this to be true. Our relatives are threatened because they are Christian, and all you do is defend these crimes.

You and your pancho are disgusting apologists for murder.



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