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Re: ...another challenge....for nestreino especially....
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Wednesday, May 8 2013, 13:34:35 (UTC)
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nestrieno wrote:
>pancho said:for the last 100 years alone, can you name us one war Muslim nations started, and fought against Christian nations?
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>ok pancho, i cannot name such a war, as we call a real war from one nation to another nation. but what can we say about jihad is war or not?

...Rashad can answer this better than I. My understanding is that Christians have defined this word out of all meaning..just like they have done with "hero" and "genocide". Jihad is much more than war, if it ever means war. But even then...how many Christians, or Buddhists, or Shintoists have Muslims killed?
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>pancho said:..do you begin to see the absurdity and the great lie too, of saying that Islam is the violent religion and Muslims are extremists?
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>I think you did not understand me: i do not say that islam is a violent religion and that muslims are extremists. On the contrary i say extremists are absolutely not muslims, they use the name of islam to justify their acts. i am protestant, and i have so much respect for the islam religion, and believers. But no respect for terrorists.

...I don't see where they use Islam to justify their acts...they happen to be Muslims, but not good ones if they think the Quran justifies what they do, however, they ARE fighting back, and Muhammad never told anyone NOT to fight back, if attacked, therefore in that sense you can say they are following their religion BUT, they did not start this thing and you can't expect them NOT to fight back to defend their families and get rid of their occupiers...what excuse then do Christians have? Why did they attack Iraq when that country never did a thing to them? Why don't THEY listen to THEIR prophet?...let me ask you, if the people of Palestine were not Muslim, if Iraqis and Afghanis had never heard of Muhammad...do you think they would NOT resent the way Christian nations have attacked and occupied them? Are you saying that only because of Muhammad do Arabs and Palestinians and others fight back...as best they can? Do you blame Muhammad or the United States, Europe and Israel for pushing the people who happpen to be Muslim to desperation?

If a Muslim woman is being raped by a Christian...do you blame HER for being "violent" when she scratches out the eyes of her rapist...as he is raping her?
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>pancho said: You live in France, you must know something of French history. What about the massacre or, you could call it, genocide of the Albigensians? What of the persecution of Port Royal? What of the St Bartholemew's Day Massacre when 10,000 Christians were murdered, that's men women and children, by their Christian neighbors, in 24 hours, just because those murdered had different ideas about Jesus?
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>I know all that of course. what to say about? those religious war in europe are nothing else than murders . Nobody can agree with thoses religious massacres. But it is not a reason for me to say all christians are criminals.

....why then blame Muslims...why bring up jihad? Those Christians didn't thionk they were committing crimes, maybe you do, today...but at the time those were glorious events done in the name of Jesus.

...Islam is 700 years younger than Christianity. Go back 700 years in Christian history and see what sorts of crimes were being committed, and all in the name of Jesus...in fact, Christianity came to Rome through war and murder...Constantine's vision of Jesus, which convinced him to force Christianity on his unwilling people wasn't a vision of peace or love...Jesus appeared to Constantine to give him advice on how best to kill...at the Milvan bridge...
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> pancho said: And can you give an example of such Muslim savagery against their own kind as Christians have displayed...even up until the Troubles in Ireland?
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>i do not have enough knowledge about troubles in ireland so i cannot answer about.

...well, the killing has been going on there for centuries, right up to a few years ago...with Christians killing each others' children with bombs etc.

>about example of such muslims savagery against their own kind; what happened during Iran/Irak war started with ayatollah khomeni???

...that wasn't a war for religion and it wasn't their own idea...by now we know that the United States instigated that war and made huge amounts of money selling weapons to both sides...neither Iraq nor Iran make weapons themselves, or ever have...thoe weapons they had came from Christian countries, who need their customers to USE those weapons, so they can buy more, and more...the United States makes most of its money from welling weapons around the world...seesm to me that if Muslims were dedicated to war and murder they would have neer stopped making weapons to kill with....but it's Christians today who arm the world...had the United States NOT made and supported puppets in the MidEast, that war would never have happened....besides, that was a war of Muslim against neighboring Muslims, over LAND...a common thing among the Christians of Europe.
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>ok pancho i tried to answer to you as i could. You challenged me to give proofs that islam, is bad and violent, i cannot do that, and i do not think that. as i cannot say that all christians are criminals because some of them have killed their brothers.

..."some"? You mean the Holocaust was NOT a criminal act?

>protestants use to say: do your best in your life, and like your brother. But god knows you are a man or a woman and such as we are not perfect, and jesus will forgive us for our faults.

...yes but can we ever forgive him for HIS? How much better off millions and millions of people would have been had Jesus never been born. As I said before, Christianioty is unlike any religion in the modern era...only it worships executions and celebrates cannibalism and weapons of torture, and even hangs them round their children's necks...love, kindness, sacrifice, these all existed way before Jesus....the one and only thing that is truly unique about Christianity and no other religion is worshipping human sacrifice, in THIS day and age.

...you can see, can't you, that whether you call them criminals or not, whether you believe they acted in the name of Jesus or not, for some reason Christians have been the bloodiest religious people the world has ever seen. Why can't THEY listen to their god?
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>cordially yours

...as always.



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