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Re: because they are NOT assyrians....
Posted by Ghwergis (Guest) - Wednesday, February 22 2012, 9:47:44 (UTC)
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Rashad wrote:
>If by pro-Assyrian you mean the ancient people of Mesopotamia, I am definitely pro them but not a fan of these Christians who hide behind their name and are nothing more than a group of fanatics.
---What do you mean by "fanatics"?

>We are not trash talking when we say that the British revived the Assyrian name and slapped it on the Nestorians who were living nearby to where the discoveries were made. We are not lying when we say that the British missionaries did the same thing to us that the Vatican did to our Chaldean brethren(who were nestorians also).

>Furthermore, we are not lying when we say that all of our people called themselves "Suraye" and there was no dispute or fighting over this name. This :community" is divided as you are obviously aware, and this division comes from the very religion which they claim as official for Assyrians.

---So, you are saying it is religious division that keeps the Assyrians, Suryoye, and Chaldeans from becoming Suraye?

If someone leave Christianity, say for Islam, that person is no longer regarded an Assyrian. The division isn't because of Saddam or those "evil" kurds but it's because of church. I don't have a problem with someone calling himself an Assyrian or Chaldean, but it becomes a different issue when that someone makes demands and starts using it to hide behind.
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>Christianity and Assyrians are not synonymous and never were. The ancient Assyrians were not Christians
---To be fair, the ancient Arabs and Persians were not Muslim.
> and Christianity is foreign to Iraq just as Islam is from Arabia.
---Which would make Islam foreign to Iraq.

>If a Muslim from Iraq is not "really" Assyrian, then a Christian can also not be one if it is with religion.

---I have always seen Assyrians as an ethnic group.

>Assyrians were belonged to Asshur and that's where the name came from. I honor my roots and love Assyrians and all the ancient people of Mesopotamia, but I will never confuse them with these modern Christians, who learned everything from British,

---What exactly do you think they 'learned' from the British?

>nor will I agree with them. There was a reason as to why Saddam didn't take them serious with their "we are direct descendant" crap as he know damn well the ancients are the ancestors of Iraqis and he greatly appreciated them as one could see in his palaces, and ancient Mesopotamian history could be seen throughout Iraq, from Iraqi postage stamps, to the museum in Baghdad and their histories taught in schools.
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>It wasn't ancient history Iraqi government was denying but this propaganda and these silly demands about 'this is our land and you need to go back to Arabia." I find this silly. There are only two choices, one, Assyrians are an ethnic group, which would obviously include all peoples regardless of religion, or, two, Assyrian today is really just a Christian name, which is what it is anyway.

---I have always seen Assyrians as an ethnic group.

at the beginning before the name was given to the Nestorians, these same people had jumped on the Chaldean name and felt jealous. When the British first did what the Vatican had done prior, only Nestorians were suddenly "Assyrians" but then they realized they were too few so they tried to get Chaldeans and Suryoye to jump along as well. This is what these nationalists(who are propagandists)do and we just tell it how it is. We are not Kurds, or some "enemy" but Suraye who were raised with same culture and religion but chose to read history isntead of Bible and soon discovered that Aprim and their mentors were full of it.
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>I just can't take the words of amateurs over historians and people who write history for a living and write history as a profession



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