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Ashur Beth-Shlimon wrote:
>I am sorry to label you as a DECEIVED person, because you don't know the real ISLAM.

I am assuming you know the real Islam. If only I were a moron like you and were to get my info about your Christianity from an Athesist or from any other unreliable source.

>The real ISLAM started by waging wars and your PROPHET in the first engagement with his opponents ( in Mecca )who made a mockery about his the so-called prophecy was A BIG DEFEAT make him run away like a chicken to the other near by city of MEDINA.

You have never studied the history of Islam, and if you have, then you are simply a liar and a liar you are for sure, and you have been caught with your pants down over and over again. But I will educate you anyways even though I am sure you know where to learn history from. Islam did not start by waging war, and only a moron such as yourself would make such statement. The Muslims only had barely 35 people mostly slaves, poor, and weak. How could theh have waged war? It was after 13 years of persecution, attacks, torture, expelling them from Mecca and seizing their property. It was after the Muslims migrated to Madina and even after they were fought there by the Meccans and they kept breaking their treaties, that Muslims were finally given permission to defend themselves. All the wars of the Muslims were in defense and against oppression. It seems like you "wise" Christians only see one side nor do you believe in your enemy having the right to self defense. It was the Pagan Arabs that had waged war on Muslims and it was Muslims that had to finally fight back after 13 years. Even after the Muslims regained Mecca, the Pagans were allowed to go free without harm. You can find that in the book of Karen Armstrong, the Christian historian and great author of the book "Muhammad". Get your facts right before you run your mouth because what you are saying is slander and a lie, but I guess you are a liar.

>From MEDINA , he regrouped his fighters and made assault on MECCA .

After 13 years, and yes we are allowed to defend or self and seek justice. We are not Christianity where we will just wait until "heaven". We have a God given right to defend ourself, practice our faith, prevent oppression and allow people to have the ability to embrace Islam if they choose so without fear or being killed or stopped. You have a reason to fear Islam and i don't blame because I would be afraid too if I were still an ignorant/arrogant Christian and this "barbaric" and "uncivilized" religion has nearly swept away my religion even though my religion had a 600 year head start, forced conversions, bribery and waves of cusades. You have reasons to be afraid but I think it is more of a paranoia.


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>I don't know how you ignore this which is a FACT and is even taught in the Islamic histories unless you never have a knowledge about it period , but you took Islam from your IGNORANCE!

It is only a fact in your world and no where else. I know the facts of Islam and I have studied Islam from its own sources and history and at the same time I know what you consider "history" also. I was raised with it and believed it blindly just like many people do. It was only after I studied Islam from history and from its own sources that I not only converted but also came to realize that my Christian teachers were just liars such as you and paranoid little freaks who do nothing but slander. Oh, I assume you are not a Christian, I am sorry but I almost forgot. "Ignorance" is not what I follow or else I would behave like you. I love learning and I learn something new everyday, and continue to do so. I can get my information about Judaism from the kkk or learn about Christianity from Atheists but I will never do so because I am fair and honest.

>Then if ISLAM according to you was a peaceful religion, why your self proclaimed prophet waged those wars which were called GHAZAWAT - غزوات?


Sometimse fighting is neccessary to prevent oppression and the Prophet simply defended himself and the people and made Islam available to them. As Joel Carmichel stated in his book "Muhammad won the hearts of his people" and that is exactly true. It would be a double standard to say Islam is peace and then force people to convert, however, fighting self defense or preventing oppression is not wrong. Becoming a Muslim does not mean others will offer you peace so we are allowed to defend ourself but we are not allowed to just go fight people for no reason, and even when we do engage in warfare, the guidlines are well explained. No trangressing, fighting only those engaged in war and the guilty. If they surrender or seize their agrression, then we stop fighting as well. But I know where you get your info from and I know that you also do not know the reality behind Jesus (pbuh) and the history of Palestine under Roman occupation. I will post about that inshaAllah and I will show you how and what your churches are really hiding and why they really hide behind Jesus who has nothing to do with you.


>Now , I want an answer YES or NO to what I stated above and don't go around far from my question that your prophet waged wars in the first days of his prophecy! and why did that if his call was a peaceful one as you claim ?

Yes, or no answer, the answer is no. The prophet did not wage war first and most certainly not in the first days. That would have been impossible even if he wanted to. It was after over a decade and they were given permission to fight back and it was only for self defense and to stop the oppression and wars against the Muslims. You have no clue about history and you demand answers to your questions. Are you stupid or what? Do you think you have actually asked a valid question and now you demand a yes or no answer and make it seem as if I am unable to answer you? Let me tell you something. The above is not a question but it is a statement with a question mark behind it. Not only is the statement false but it is your bigoted opinion with a question mark, but the answer is no. If you are asking if the prophet waged wars in the early days, the answer is, no, he did not, and he would have been unable to because they were a small persecuted minority. The prophet didn't even seek revenge when he and his troops marched into Mecca without even having to put up a fight. There is a difference between a statement and a question.

What you states is false and I still answered, but now let's talk about you. When will you bring us your proof for the lies and statements you made about Muslims. You have been hiding for 2 years now and changing the subject, running and then returning in hopes of that we have forgotten. Now you answer the questions posed to you which you have been running from for years now. Also, do not try to turn the table because I do not run from you nor am I ashamed and you are not dealing with one of your stupid fans who will just take anything from you or buy whatever you say without a challenge or proof.

I will leave you with a challenge from the Quran "produc your evidence if what you say is true" قُلْ هَاتُواْ بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ



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