The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

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Posted by pancho (Guest) - Wednesday, February 21 2007, 16:17:57 (CET)
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Before we get into it let me say that I admire your spunk for opening this topic up. Excuse any sarcasms I blurt out…and I will try to focus only the issues involved. I think this is at the heart of all our national nonsense and is well worth a thorough exposition



I am not responding to this post because I want to defend Fred Aprim here.

…I am glad to hear you say that…

On the cotrary, I am here to defend the truth, and to tell the world what I think of George Roux and his book Ancient Iraq, and what I think of Dr. Joseph and his lies. That's the ONLY reason why I am responding to this post.

…that you would call Dr Joseph a liar I find interesting…because as I recall you put us all over the coals because we called Dadeeshoo a liar…and only about his fake doctorate…which indeed he was lying about…at least you accept that Dr Joseph earned his the usual way.

They are both Amateurs!!!! and both of their work is CRAP!

…I think you too need to consult a dictionary…a simple definition of amateur would be one who doesn’t earn his livelihood by what he professes…I only Roux by his books and don’t know he supported himself…but Dr Joseph is a professional historian…one who received his diploma at a prestigious university that doesn’t usually graduate liars…he also taught at another we—respected university where they don’t hire liars…the book of his that we’re discussing was published by Brill…a most respected and old publishing concern, who also don’t publis liars…and Dr Frey…Eden Naby’s husband, the formost recognized authority on ancient Persian history, and maybe more, who supports Dr Joseph’s writings, who teaches at Harvard, could not be a liar and be so well respected in his field or employed by Harvard University…all these people earn their living by what they write and lecture upon and do research in…therefore in the simplest possible way, they are not amateurs…in fact you, who don’t get paid by anyone to teach or give classes on teevee, are more like the amateur here.

...Don’t get your shorts tied in a knot…I’m merely defining the word you chose to “insult” these professionals with…and you missed them but smacked yourself in the head. I suggest if you want to make a valid criticism of them and their work you start by consulting a dictionary..and don’t tell me you don’t to either…I’ve heard that before…clearly you don’t know what the word “amateur” means…now, if you meant to say that they write AS IF they were amateurs, meaning those who can’t get paid fro their work, then you’re still wrong because they do…but if you meant by amateur that YOU think the are…then you’re still wrong because whether you like it or know it of think it, they DO get paid for their work…so that the only refuge you have is that you don’t agree with them…then why didn’t you say so?

I cannot possibly respect either one of them, as they BOTH have tendencies to embellish the truth, and their reasearch is always NOT deep enough.

…that’s meaningless criticism based on nothing more than your personal feelings…whether you respect them or not is also meaningless…because what does it matter anywhere or to anyone but you? For you to know about their research and its depths would mean that you have gone deeper…and while every page of Dr Joseph’s book is nearly half-filled with notes and source material as well as an extensive bibliography…and your writings have none of these things…I don’t see how you can, in all seriousness and with an eye at keeping anyone’s respect as well as your own, say the research is not “deep enough”. We aren’t drilling mine shafts here…we’re pursuing some interesting points,…if you have interesting points, in opposition…bring them on, with sources please.

If one wants to be taken seriously as a scholar, he/she must do more thorough research, and stop twisting the truth to suit their employers,

...you told that to Tiglath and I concerning Dadeeshoos fake diploma..you said he and I had to do more "research" into the matter when all that needed to be reseacrhed had been done years before..and you knew the truth of it all along, therefore your dictate that more thorough research needs to be done in this matter strikes me as the same stall you tried to use last time.

…since you work with Dadeeshoo, whether he pays you or not…something we have no way of knowing…as you have no proof for your claims that Roux and Joseph are paid by those you claim…I’d be careful how you throw this around.

(in the case of Roux, he was paid by the Jewish Assyriologists to conduse the world by his mumbo-jumbo,

…these are your wild accusations…if Joseph or Roux wrote such things you’d be justified in calling them amatruers…let be ask what “deep research” you did to discover who pays whom? And just what makes you suspect Assiorlogists just because they’re Jewish? And again, that old chestnut…why would ANYONE want to “divide” us or “confuse” the world about us…just what do you think we, united…could do that the world is so terrified of us?

in the case of Dr. Joseph, he was paid by the Catholic Chaldean priests, who sought to divide us ecclesiastically.)

…where are your footnotes…your source material…your bibliography…what “deep research” did you do “enough” of to arrive at this point?

BOTH of them were paidn agents!

…as many people think you are…as they think I am…everyone throws this around whenever they come up against something they have no other way of disputing or debating or combating…even if all you said was true…does it in any way lessen the impact of the words and ideas…I don’t think so.



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