The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

=> there it is again......

there it is again......
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Friday, November 6 2015, 18:21:32 (UTC)
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"They are mainly Neoconservatives, a group of old Cold Warriors, many of whom had been Democrats, who were dismayed by the Democratic Party’s turn left in the 1970s and the rise of a New Left within it that was critical of Israel. They therefore threw in with Ronald Reagan and then W. Most were Jewish Americans, though R. James Woolsey (former CIA director) and John Bolton were Neoconservatives as well (Woolsey said he was the only Episcopalian of the lot)".

...here is one of the few, if not the only time, you will see a person's Christian religion mentioned....and then only to contrast it with a bunch of Jews.

...what possible difference does it make that these people were or are Jewish? What's the implication? Is it meant to say Jews are "just like that"? That Jews would do evil (or good) things BECAUSE they are Jewish?

...If we accept that then we have to accept the "Jewish" position that Palestinians are pissed JUST because they are Muslims...or Kennedy did what he did JUST because he was Catholic.

...If reject race-baiting or bigotry when the target is a Christian or a Muslim, then I have to reject it when the target is a Jew.

...is there something inherently evil about a Jew? Is that the position? Jews do horrid things, but is that because they are Jewish?

...Israelis do horrible things ostensibly for the security of Israel...have you EVER heard of Christians doing horrid things for the sake of America....or France...or Britain? Is it JUST Jews who will lie cheat murder and steal for their home team?

..If you can show me where in Judaic teachings Jews are demanded to murder Muslims or Christians or steal from them...then I would condemn the religion and agree that Jews are brought up to be "like that".

..If we reject it when Christians tell us the Quran teaches murder and violence and theft and rape and so on, and we give REASONS why Palestinians resort to this sort of behavior, when they can...then why won't we give the same latitude to Jews?

..sure, today Israel isn't Palestine...but the Jewish people have been treated far worse than Muslims have and for much, much longer. Do you think any Jews alive today actually believe that it could NEVER happen again? Do Jews not have a good reason to feel paranoid? Does it strike you that they are secure, that they can relax, because all that nasty stuff is behind them and won't happen again?

...why is it relevant that any neo-cons are Jews? Does that supposedly explain anything? Will I find in the Talmud the roots of neo-conservatism and its links with the Mosaic Law?

..all the religions are stupid...but hardly anyone follows those religions anyway, certainly not at the highest levels of government.

..nowhere in the Quran or New Testament does it tell anyone to use or make nerve gas, but people have used it and made it. Nowhere in the bible were Christians told to persecute Jews, but they did it...the Quran forbids killing innocent people, but Muslims have done it...clearly then if you want to understand why Christians, Jews and Muslims go against their deepest teachings you must look elsewhere, to the world they inhabit and what they suffer at the hands of others...and of the three religious groups it is Jews and Muslims who have suffered the most, and still are, at the hands of Christians.

..I can understand why the Jew or Muslim finally reacts by hitting back at his tormentor, it is the human, the natural thing to do. Certainly it is commendable to hold off as long as one can...but when your children are raped and burned in ovens, it is forgivable to strike back, to distrust, to be suspicious of another attack...what I can't understand is the Christian tormentor, the Christian camp guard, the Christian rulers who visit these horrors on Jews and Muslims, as they have for centuries.

..And I can't understand why intelligent people persist in condemning the victims of the Christians who finally fight back, whether that victim is a Jew or a Muslim.



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