The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

=> you miss the point again....

you miss the point again....
Posted by assyrian atheist (Guest) - Thursday, September 24 2009, 19:58:23 (CEST)
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rico suave wrote:
>Simply put, you are a propagandist for your religion. Really, religious fanatics are the worst kind because they cannot be reasoned with, and you are a perfect case in point.

...you have not tried to reason with anyone...you have merely stated your OPINION, based on your EXPERIENCE...we do that too...but we also drag in books, facts and real history...and we don;t give links and ask peole to "go there and see"...we bring any pertinant facts here and post them...you haven't done that even once.
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>Your tactics are transparent: any violence committed in any so-called "Christian" country (even if the country is secular), you label "Christian violence."

...hold on there....in the West any Muslim is described as a MUSLIM...his nationality is never given...same with the Jews 70 years ago...to you Christians they were all, and only, JEWS...they were never Frenchmen or Italian or Dutch...but only JEWS. You are doing the same with Muslims, lumping them all up under a RELIGIOUS denomination. Since the West views all PEOPLE who happen to be Muslims as MUSLIMS...and lays at the feet of the religion any and all crimes committed by MUSLIMS..it is fair to lay all crimes committed by Christians at the feet of CHRISTIAN nations...THEY say they are Christians, not us...THEY say their believe i n Christianity and follow Jesus, not us.

..if you are going to call any violence in any Muslim country, regardless if it is, or was, secular MUSLIM VIOLENCE, then expect to be treated the same way...we're only trying to be fair....I wish you would try to be.
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>Do you hold Muslim countries to the same standards? Of course not! If someone points to violence against a minority group in a Muslim country, you come up with thousands of excuses as to why it's not based on their minority status, but that violence is equally distributed against other groups too!

..they are not "excuses"...we say that if Christian countries bring violence to Muslim countries, then they can expect to receive violence in return...what's so odd about that? It isn't Muslim countries that have colonized the West in the last 200 years,....stealing their resources, demanding extra rights for their nationals and invading and occupying whenever they felt like it...it is rather Christians countries, starting with the Russians, who've attacked and murdered and stolen from and occupied Muslim countries for the last 200 years...and did you expect to get off scot-free for that?


Case in point, the bombing of Christian churches in Iraq, multiple times, by Muslim fanatics.

...you have no evidence that they were Muslim..and, considering what the West has stooped to in the past, it wouldn't be surprising at all if the people responsible were Christians.


Now any rational person would look at that and say that obviously those attacks came from extremist religious Muslims (your brothers).

...none of us advocates bombing anyone...so why are they our "brothers"? Why try to be cute? Why not stick to the actual issues at hand? Any "rational" person would do what rational people do...what the very word "rational" means..that is they would look for a RATIONALE...a reason...for facts, in other words...and you presented none...you just "know". That's fine for propaganda, but this isn't a site for propaganda..if it was you wouldn't be allowed the freedom to write whatever you please..propagandists don't work that way...instead you are welcomed and we plead with you to bring FACTS that will DESTROY every argument we make.


What do you say? There is no proof! And it might be Americans who did it! A Christian priest is beheaded? Oh, it must have been the Americans who did it! I mean, there is no WAY Muslims use violence against minorities. Ever!

..of course there is Muslim violence....why the hell not when the country has been attacked by CHRISTIAN violence for 17 years! Are you insensitive to any FACTS? Why do you not mention over 700,00 children killed by CHRISTIAN VIOLENCE?
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>Listen, you're an intellectual midget and a disingenuous liar. And everyone reading this board, except for two of your fellow apologists, can see that.

...this is, again, your claim. You don;t know what other people "can see". When real argument breaks down we always get these kinds of silly insults, or attempts. Our challenge to you still stands...bring us EVIDENCE for what you claim...we all know weel enough what you people BELIEVE...but we don't only present BELIEFS here....we also post FACTS and SOURCES...would that you could do the same.
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>I lived in a Muslim country long enough to know what it's like to be a minority there, and contrary to your lies, it's not pleasant or easy, because they are targets simply because they were born into the wrong religion.


I was born in Iraq and lived in Iran and Kuwait...I too was treated harshly and unjustly...but that was by people in the lower classes whom I was forced to associate with because my father believed we would have to toughen up...but I also traveled in other circles and there I met some of the best people I have ever known, all of them Muslim. It isn't the religion, it's the people...especially the socio-economic class....that is true anywhere. Unfortunately most of our people refuse to work to get ahead in Muslim countries...they hold back, many of them in dismal villages so that they ONLY know the lower rungs....if they got out more often and mixed and excelled at anything they would meet all sorts of Muslims...as many have who don't hold these parochial views you do.

I also couldn't blame Muslims, in Kuwait, for feeling anger towards me, since they thought I was Americans which was close enough to British, so that when the Brits bombed Port Said in Egypt, I was nearly killed by an outraged mob...I can understand the need to fight back at anything you can get your hands on when you can't get at the actual people doing the damage. But I don't blame Islam for that, or Muhammad, or Muslims....it's human nature, that's all.
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>And if you asked every Christian coming out of Iraq today, they will tell you the exact same thing, and you know it. But you choose to spit in their faces and lie about what has happened to them. So keep your brainwashed lies going about the purity of your bullshit religion (as all religions, including christianity, are bullshit).

..no one is spitting in anyone's face. Your frustration is getting the best of you. Of course Christians in Iraq are suffering...WHO ISN'T??? But the question must be asked...who started this thing???? Can Iraqi Christians, who suffer alongside their Muslim neighbors, expect not be hated some more because Christians are attacking the country? Didn't America decide to murder Iraqis even though not a single Iraqi attacked America on 9/11? If it works for Christians, why can't it work for Muslims as well?

The question should be: did Iraqi Christians suffer like this BEFORE the Christians attacked Iraq? These are not normal times in Iraq so one can expect abnormal things to happen...plus which, as we mentioned, all criminals were let loose from Iraq prisons, and the police disbanded...and lawlessness and disorder have been rempant fopr years....under these conditions in which city in which country would you NOT see an increase in crime? yet you are pinning this crime on ISLAMmmmand THAT is propaganda of the worst sort.



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