Qusser Qutt b. libbekh

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Posted by Jeff [rp] from LTU-207-73-65-124.LTU.EDU ( on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 11:49AM :

In Reply to: Being for the benefit of Mr. Kite (Ahooooo ) posted by Qasrani [rp] from LTU-207-73-65-124.LTU.EDU ( on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 11:48AM :

Qusser Qutt b. libbekh

Posted By: Jeff Atto <jeff@attoz.com> (bgp01107368bgs.wbrmfd01.mi.comcast.net)
Date: Wednesday, 10 July 2002, at 11:43 a.m.

In Response To: Ahooooo (Qasrani)

: All I've got to say is "AHOOOOO!"

All I've got to say is "Huh"??

: Jeff, perhaps the things I was saying were
: coming off as very similar to what already
: gets posted here by some and that's why you
: felt the need to give me your baby version
: of "Nation Building 101" but you
: didn't get what I was trying to say, b/c you
: were too busy jumping to quick conclusions
: so you can make some quick answers.

** Qasrani, you may be clever, but you aren't that smart. Get off your high horse already, will ya? You speak as if you know everything. Try again.

: So, here we go: Yes. I didn't say
: "all" in my original post. I said
: "many."

Sorry, I'm human. Not all of us can be perfect.

: Yes. And we'll never compare to ethnicity that
: outnumber us over a 1,000 fold.

I agree. They outnumber us 1,000,000 fold, by the way.

: Yes. I know this. And it falls right under my
: concern. 1) Arabic is a language that has
: continued to develop and expand due to its
: pervasive use. Kurdish can hardly compare. I
: can imagine what sorts of academic
: conferences are going to be hosted in a
: Kurdistan of your dreams.

Putting words in my mouth. When have I dreamed of a Kurdistan? In the Northern Iraq UN Safe Haven (what YOU refer to as Kurdistan) the Assyrian students learn Kurdish, Arabic, English, and our language. For some reason you don't understand that.

They are learning Arabic and English, two of the most widely spoken languages in the world, in addition to Kurdish (which is understandable, considering 95% of the population is Kurdish), and our language, of course. What point are you trying to make that I am missing???

Should they also learn Spanish?

: LOL...And the participants! Are they going to have : simultaneous translation from Kurdish to
: everybody else's language and back? Don't
: get me started, Jeff.

I'd love to get you started. Don't take that the wrong way. What I mean is... Iraq was a great country, and in the future, I see a unified Iraq with a "Kurd dominated" province in the North.

I apologize if my wittle simple mind can't express my wittle simple ideas to an intellectual giant like yourself, so please bear with me.

: You make a huge leap from "Iraq" to
: "they" which I'm guessing means
: "Kurds." But Iraq is one thing,
: Kurdistan is another thing. I'm making the
: distinction between the two. Iraq rocks,
: Kurdistan sucks. Is that simple enough for
: the MTV generation? LOL

**There you go again, nubbins. You made that jump for me, and obviously are trying to argue something which I am not against.

...Now people, please
: don't harp on that blip of a comment there.
: I was just being facetious.

: I don't care about all things Kurd to dislike
: them. I only ponder the ramifications of the
: establishment of a Kurdish state on the
: basis of "indigenous" arguments in
: the Assyrian heartland.

** When did I ever propose such a state, dearest Qasrani??

: Ba'athis today, no-I wouldn't take those
: either. But Ba'athis in their hay
: day...well, they were goint to stop at
: nothing short of a total regional
: renaissance. Unfortunate how things take a
: turn for the horrific when you have the
: wrong people at the helm. Kind of like
: George II in the US today.

** I made that comment because it's common here to be called a 'traitor' or to be told to take a bathey when you disagree with someone. You have all but called me a "Kurd loving traitor" in your messages to me, using grandiose, padded language of course.

: Yes, I hate it when people make us out to seem
: like we have greater clout in the area than
: we actually do.

: No, I don't say "no." But I don't
: accept it blindly and not realize that every
: carrot has a stick. And I don't understand
: why you and Stella don't want me to discuss
: the stick. Because the stick is there and
: we're getting reemed up the wazoo with it.
: So, why can't I discuss it?

When did I ask you not to discuss anything???

: No, I wouldn't be so disgusted. Because his
: Assyrian identity wouldn't be a pawn in the
: image building in the eyes of the
: international community. He'd just be
: another "pulled by his own
: bootstrap" American story. The US
: wouldn't go around (patting Uncle Tom)
: saying "See everybody! We accept all
: types! Even Christians! See?" With a
: big ole teethy grin for added sleaziness.

** Thanks for adding that grin. :-p

: Did I claim the establishment of Assyria?
: [Looking left, right] Beautiful. I'm going
: to forward your post to all my Assyrian
: friends because I think this is the FIRST
: time that I've been accused of wanting to
: establish an Assyrian homeland. Hahhaha...
: Thank you, Jeff. You gave me a good laugh on
: an otherwise bland Wednesday morning.

** And you have given me a good... "shaking my head in disgust" on this Wed. afternoon. Thank you.

: This is great...My cc list of friends has
: expanded to include all the Iraqis and Arabs
: that I know. They'll love this.

** Are you still talking?

: LOL...Because that's what I'm advocating?

: Aha! I caught you. You think Qasrani=Raman. Not
: the case, my friend.

: I'm smart. I know when I'm being asked a
: rhetorical question.

** You are smart enough to toot your own horn way too often. Wait, what I meant was... oh, forget it.

: For one thing, our political movements have
: grown outside of tribal lines. Although
: people make all sorts of claims to the
: contrary, it isn't about family connections
: or tribal loyalties for us.

** I'm going to have to disagree. Most of our organizations and clubs are groups of people from one area (village, city), or who speak one dialect, or who go to the same AssyrianChristian church denomination. Tribal is as tribal does.

: Who are David and the Doc and what did they
: say? Sorry, I don't keep up with all the
: debates on this forum. I just skim.

: Pshena, Q

**I'll let David and/or the Doc answer that. They post here periodically.

-- Jeff [rp]
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