Posted by Jeff from d53-237-236.try.wideopenwest.com (220.127.116.11) on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 at 0:37AM :
...now before you people go off interpreting that the wrong way, I just want to say that I have a lot of respect for her. A tremendous amount, in fact.
Here's a post that I just lifted off of the GhassBag's web site. She skewered him here, artfully. He must have been off today. I'm surprised it hasn't been deleted yet.
Way to go, Janey!
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[ Chaldeans Discussion Forum ]
Written by JANEY GOLANI on 28 Jan 2003 01:14:07:
As an answer to: Assyrian Groups: Will fight the rising Iraqi Chaldean Nationalist Movement written by Chaldean News Agency on 27 Jan 2003 05:05:39:
CHALDEAN NEWS AGENCY OR WHOEVER YOU ARE,
YOU WROTE.....In a sign of the growing frustration of Assyrian political groups with the rising tide of Chaldean nationalism, members of the Assyrian community in the United States launched a major anti-Chaldeans campaign intended to intimidate and provoke Chaldean nationalists into giving up their so far successful push to rally members of their community into taking a more assertive role in defending their ethnic, political, and cultural rights in Iraq.
>>>>>MY DEAREST DESTROYERS GHASSAN AND JOSEPH, NOT ONLY MEMBERS OF THE ASSYRIAN COMMUNITY IN THE U.S. BUT A VAST MAJORITY OF THE CHALDEAN COMMUNITY HAVE NOT LAUNCHED A MAJOR ANTI-CHALDEAN CAMPAIGN BUT INSTEAD THEY HAVE LAUNCHED AN ANTI GHASSAN, JOSEPH AND OTHER CHALDEAN SO CALLED "NATIONALISTS" CAMPAIGN.
YOU WROTE..... A petition, authored by supporters of the Assyrian Democratic Movement and other Assyrian groups, is currently circulating against one of the major figures in the Chaldean church, Mar Sarhad Jammo, bishop of St. Peter Diocese of the Western United States. Bishop Dr. Jammo and in a recent lecture in Detroit, strongly supported the rising tide of Chaldean nationalism and rejected the claims by Assyrian political groups in acting as representatives of the Chaldeans who constitute close to 80% of Iraqi Christians.
>>>>>>AGAIN, YOUR WRONG! (I LOVE SAYING THAT) THE PETITION THAT WAS AUTHORED WAS NOT BY THE ADM OR OTHER ASSYRIAN GROUPS BUT IN FACT WAS AUTHORED BY MANY MEMBERS OF THE CHALDEAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, AND THIS PETITION IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK AGAINST MAR SARHAD JAMMO, BUT AGAINST HIS RECENT LECTURE AND HIS NEWLY FOUND THOUGHTS THAT HAVE BEEN INFLUENCED BY YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES!!! WE CANNOT FORGET THE FACT THAT IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE ORDINATION OF MAR SARHAD JAMMO, HE TOOK A TRIP TO BAGHDAD, IRAQ AND THERE AMONG THE PATRIARCH AND OTHER BISHOPS WAS APPOINTED BY THE PATRIARCH HIMSELF AS THE CHAIRMAN OF A SPECIAL COMMITTEE TO HELP UNITE WITH OUR ASSYRIAN BROTHERS. THE OTHER THREE BISHOPS ON THE COMMITTEE WERE BISHOP DELLY, BISHOP RABBAN AND BISHOP ISAAC. THE BISHOP ON THIS COMMITTEE WHO IS PRO-UNITY, BISHOP RABBAN IS BEING CRITICIZED FOR CALLING HIMSELF ASSYRIAN AND STRIVING TO UNITE OUR PEOPLE. THE MOST IMPORTANT MESSAGE IN THE PETITION IS THAT MAR SARHAD JAMMO WHO WAS ORDAINED AS A BISHOP, A RELIGIOUS LEADER, NEEDS TO SPEND MORE TIME AT THE PULPIT AND LESS TIME AT THE PODIUM. HE NEEDS TO STAY AWAY FROM MAKING ANY POLITICAL STATEMENTS OR ANY DIRECT OR INDIRECT INVOLVEMENT IN THE POLITICAL AFFAIRS OF OUR NATION. HE IS A MAN OF GOD AND SOME ONE WHO NEEDS TO EXCERSICE WHAT HE WAS ORDAINED TO DO, AND THAT IS STRENGTHENING SPIRITUALITY AND UNITY AMONGST OUR PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY DURING THESE MOST DIFFICULT TIMES. WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE THERE IS A CLEAR AND CONCISE SEPARATION OF "STATE AND "RELIGION", AND WE CLEARLY WANT FOR OUR RELIGIOUS LEADERS TO RESPECT THAT SEPARATION. CONTINUED COMMUNICATION, DIALOGUE, AND ANY DECISION REGARDING OUR NATION NEEDS TO BE ACTED UPON BY OUR POLITICAL AND CIVIL LEADERS, NOT OUR PRIESTS AND BISHOPS.
YOU WROTE....The core of the petition against Bishop Jammo highlights the major problem between the Assyrians and Iraqi Chaldeans. Taking advantage of the (till recently) absence of Chaldean political groups, and in an attempt to bolster their influence, Assyrian organizations engaged in wide acts of lies and deception by claiming that Chaldeans are somehow a “religious sect that belongs” to their small Assyrian community.
>>>>YOU CANNOT CHANGE HISTORY GHASSAN, EVEN WHEN IT SUITES YOU. NO ONE ENGAGED IN WIDE ACTS OF LIES AND DECEPTION, MOST OF WHAT WAS HISTORICAL FACTS WAS IN FACT REITERATED BY YOURSELF AND OTHERS DURING THE CENSUS IF I RECALL CORRECTLY...
YOU WROTE.... Towards that end, hundreds of articles with falsified statements attributed to Chaldean intellectuals and clergy were widely published. An example of which was the outrageous falsification of a statement by the Chaldean Patriarch, Mar Raphael BeDaweed, who in response to a question on the Lebanese LBC TV station, defended his church by stating that its Chaldean name does not mean that it’s restricted to a certain ethnic group, and in reality is a “non-ethnic church”. That statement was quickly distorted and widely distributed, as “Chaldeans are not an ethnic group”!! That is despite the public protests of the Patriarch against such unethical tactics.
>>>>>WHAT END? IT IS JUST BEGINNING SO TAKE A DEEP BREATH!! FOR THE BEST IS YET TO COME! NOW YOU ARE CLAIMING THAT THE PATRIARCH'S INTERVIEW WHICH WAS CLEARLY HEARD BY EVERYONE WAS A LIE!? GHASSAN, CLEARLY YOU ARE THE FARTHEST THING AWAY FROM RELIGION AND THE CHURCH AND THE LAST PERSON WHO COULD EVER TRANSLATE THE PATRIARCHS WORDS IN COMMON SENSE WOULD BE YOU. ALL THE ASSYRIANS THAT YOU CONDEMN TODAY ARE PRAYING AND FASTING FOR HIS HEALTHY RECOVERY SO THAT HE HIMSELF WILL TIGHTEN THE NOOSE AROUND YOUR NECK!!
YOU WROTE...Assyrians in the United States are composed of four groups; those from Iran, and an equal or smaller number from Iraq, and tiny groups from Syria and Lebanon.
>>>>IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE THE ASSYRIANS IN THE U.S. ARE COMPOSED OF. DID YOU EVER HEAR AN ISRAELI JEW TELL ANOTHER JEW HE IS NOT JEWISH BECAUSE HE IS FROM RUSSIA, OR POLAND, ETC??
YOU WROTE....Most Iraqi Chaldeans and Assyrians can comprehend each other’s dialect of Aramaic, an ancient language spoken by both communities. However, comprehension between Iraqi Chaldeans and Iranian Assyrians is almost non-existent, one reason behind the stronger animosity towards the Chaldeans, by many Assyrian activists from Iran. Ironically, many Iranian Assyrians are Catholics and members of the Chaldean Church, a point that’s well exploited by the Assyrian political groups who present those Assyrian Catholics from Iran as “Chaldeans” to the outside world. In reality, Assyrian Catholics hardly make up more than 2% of all members of the Chaldean church worldwide.
>>>>MY DEAR LOST SOULS, (IN WHICH EITHER OF YOU ARE WORTHY OF THE WORD DEAR BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE CALLED ILL-MANNERED AS THE PRESIDENTS WIFE, REMEMBER THAT?)
MY FAMILY IS FROM IRAQ WITH A CHALDEAN DIALECT, MY HUSBANDS FAMILY IS FROM IRAN WITH AN OORMAJNAYA DIALECT. NOW WE HAVE BEEN MARRIED FOR 20 YEARS AND I UNDERSTOOD HIM THE FIRST DAY I MET HIM. ANYONE OF MY "CHALDEAN" RELATIVES BOTH FROM ARADEN AND BAKOFA WOULD CLEARLY STAND UP AGAINST YOU TO LET YOU KNOW YOU ARE WRONG. IN FACT THEY ENVY THAT I CAN SPEAK AND ENJOY BOTH DIALECTS WHICH ARE THE SAME LANGUAGE. TAKE THE WAX OUT OF YOUR EARS AND LISTEN NEXTIME, YOU MIGHT CATCH SOMETHING SOMEONE SAYS....(MAYBE THIS IS WHERE THE MISUNDERSTANDING IS, IN THE LANGUAGE DIALECT)
YOU WROTE...Iranian Assyrians are very active in the United States and have successfully lobbied the US government to support their Iraqi brethren. Taking advantage of the ignorance of many Iraqi and US groups as to the true composition of the Assyrians in the United States, the ex-Senator of the State of Illinois, John Nimrod, and an Assyrian from Iran was able to attend the recent meeting of the Iraqi Opposition in London as an “Assyrian delegate”!! Senator Nimrod has never been to Iraq.
>>>>THIS SHOWS YOUR COMPREHENSION OF US POLITICS..JOHN NIMROD IS NOT AN EX-SENATOR, BUT IN FACT A RETIRED SENATOR WHO STILL MEETS ON A FREQUENT AND FRIENDLY BASIS WITH MANY OF THE CURRENT SENATORS OF THE U.S. THE REASON IRANIAN ASSYRIANS ARE VERY ACTIVE IS BECAUSE THEY WERE NEVER AFRAID TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE SUPPRESSION AND PERSECUTION OF THEIR PEOPLE IN THE HOMELAND..WHEREAS THE IRAQI CHALDEANS WERE, DUE TO THE FACT THAT MANY OF THEIR RELATIVES WERE STILL LIVING THERE AND FEARED FOR THEIR LIVES. YOU SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERED THEM DOING YOU A FAVOR BY BEING THE VOICE THAT YOU COULD NOT BE! BY THE WAY JOHN NIMROD WAS NOT BORN IN IRAN, BUT IN FACT BORN IN THE UNITED STATES.
YOU WROTE..Other Iranian Assyrians who strongly lobbied the US government for the Assyrian cause in Iraq, and who have recently joined the anti-Chaldeans campaign are:
Congresswoman Anna Eshoo of California's 14th Congressional District
Mr. Atour Golani, President of the Assyrian American National Federation
Most of the leadership of the Assyrian Universal Alliance of Senator John Nimrod’s
Assyrian Iranian activists, such as Jackline Bejan of the Assyrian Club in San Jose, California and Wilfred alKhass, publisher of the Internet periodical “Zinda” magazine, and many others.
>>>>WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? YOU ARE ATTACKING THE CONGRESSWOMAN OF THE UNITED STATES? THAT SHOWS AND CONFIRMS YOUR SADDAM LOYALTY. IT IS THE WORK OF THE RETIRED SENATOR JOHN NIMROD AND THE ASSYRIAN CONGRESSWOMAN WHO ARE PART OF THE U.S. POLITICS THAT ASSYRIANS TODAY ARE ON THE MAP.. AND ATOUR GOLANI? YOU DARE ACCUSE HIM OF WORKING AGAINST THE CHALDEANS? ATOUR GOLANI WAS ONLY ONE OF TWO IN THE ROOM THE NIGHT OF THE LECTURE WHO SHOWED RESPECT AND HONOR TO BOTH THE BISHOPS AND THE ONLY ONE WHO RECOGNIZED THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHALDEAN FEDERATION OF AMERICA MR. SAAD MAROUF AND WHO PUBLICLY EXTENDED HIS HAND OUT TO THE BISHOP TO WORK TOGETHER AS ONE NATION, AND PLEADED TO STOP THE PROPAGANDA, THE DIVISION AND THE TURMOIL THAT IS DIVIDING OUR PEOPLE! THERE IS A LONG LIST OF ACTIVISTS, WHICH INCIDENTLY INCLUDES MORE IRAQI ASSYRIANS THAN IRANIAN ASSYRIANS THAT WILL CONTINUE TO REVEAL THE DECEPTION AND LIES PROPAGATED BY YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES GHASSAN AND ANYONE ELSE WHO IS WORKING TO DIVIDE OUR NATION TO BENEFIT YOUR MASTERS, WHOEVER THEY MAY BE.
YOU WROTE:.... Recently, and in a provocative act that underscores that animosity, Assyrian Catholic members of the Chaldean church in San Jose and Modesto, California forced their Chaldean priests into canceling an educational play by members of the Chaldean Academic Society of Detroit, Michigan. The Chaldean churches in San Jose and Modesto, homes to major Assyrian concentration, serves mostly their Assyrian Catholic members from Iran and Iraq. To satisfy those members, the parishes names in those two towns were changed from "Chaldean Church" to "Assyrian Chaldean Catholic Church".
>>>THIS BRINGS YOU TO THE LOWEST LEVEL OF ALL...DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT THE PRIESTS OF THE CHALDEAN CHURCH WOULD SUPPORT THIS? AND ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT THESE PRIESTS ARE EASILY SWAYED BY THEIR MEMBERS GHASSAN IN MAKING DECISIONS? I BELIEVE THAT THESE PRIESTS ARE SERVING THEIR PARISH AS ONE UNIFIED NATION. THAT THEY KNOW THEIR PARISHIONERS AND WILL NO DOUBT STATE THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IRAQI ASSYRIANS AND IRANIAN ASSYRIANS ARE PLACE OF BIRTH. THE PRIESTS SERVING THE ASSYRIAN CHALDEAN CHURCHES IN SAN JOSE, TURLOCK, AND LOS ANGELES ARE FROM IRAQ AND ARE VERY NATIONALISTIC. THEY ARE LOVED AND RESPECTED BY THEIR PARISHONERS VERY MUCH, AND ARE SUPPORTED IN THEIR EFFORTS IN SENDING A STRONG MESSAGE OF UNITY TO ALL CONCERNED MEMBERS, INCLUDING OUR BISHOPS.
YOU WROTE.....In addition to the support of their Iranian brethren, Iraqi Assyrians get a tremendous support by members of the Syria-based Assyrian Democratic Organization, who use their knowledge of the Arabic language to publish hundreds of articles in Iraqi and Arab newspapers and on Internet websites, supporting the Assyrian cause. All while masquerading themselves as simply “Assyrian writers” without stating whether they’re Iraqis or non-Iraqis.
>>>>NO, I WAS WRONG IN THE LAST STATEMENT (I HATE SAYING THAT) THIS IS THE STATEMENT THAT BRINGS YOU TO THE LOWEST LEVEL.
MOST OF THE IRANIAN BRETHREN CAN NEITHER READ NOR WRITE ARABIC. SO THESE SO CALLED IRAQI ASSYRIANS DO NOT RELY ON THE SUPPORT OF SYRIA BASED ASSYRIANS. THEY ARE WELL VERSED AND CAN DO IT ON THEIR OWN. YET THEY WELCOME ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THEIR CAUSE.
YOU WROTE...Recently, a Chicago-based Assyrian from Lebanon was successful in recruiting the services of an ex-Congressman from the State of Illinois to act as an Assyrian lobbyist. The efforts by that misinformation lobbyist resulted so far in having several articles on Iraqi Christians published by major US newspapers, such as the Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, USA Today, and others all containing the false claim that “Many Iraqi Christians are Assyrian Catholics, known as Chaldeans”!!
This meddling in the internal affairs of Iraqi Christians by non-Iraqis has led to many Iraqi Chaldean nationalists complaining that they will resist such interference and ask the US government and Iraqi Opposition groups to reject the pressure of those groups in promoting their Assyrian brethren as the sole representatives of Iraqi Christians.
>>>YOU ARE TRULY A SICK MAN. THE ONLY IRAQI CHALDEAN NATIONALISTS WHO ARE COMPLAINING ARE AGAIN YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES. YOU CAN'T STAND THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T EITHER OF YOU WHO GAINED THE PUBLICITY..CAN YOU?
YOU WROTE....An act that was strongly demonstrated in the recent meeting of the Iraqi Opposition in London. That is when the representatives of the Assyrian groups voted 6 out of 8 in favor (including the Iranian Senator Nimrod) of working towards the exclusion of any statement that refers to Chaldeans rights from being mentioned in the final press release of that meeting. An effort that was partially successful. The main reason behind the current galvanization of the Chaldean nationalist movement towards securing their people's rights in the post-Saddam Iraq and its subsequent assertive dealing with Assyrian groups.
>>>>GHASSAN, YOU WERE NOT THERE, AND UNLESS YOU WERE, THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS NULL AND VOID, BECAUSE IN FACT AFTER SPEAKING TO MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE, THAT IS A TOTALLY INCORRECT STATEMENT.
YOU WROTE...Many Chaldean political activists are perplexed as to “how could a whole community such as the Assyrian simply convince itself that it owns or even speaks on behalf of the much larger Chaldean one?” as one of them put it. “It’s like a mass self-hypnoses that refuses to accept reality”, exclaimed another.
>>>>AGAIN, THE ONLY CHALDEAN POLITICAL ACTIVISTS ARE A HANDFUL INCLUDING YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES. IF THERE ARE SO MANY LETS SEE WHO THEY ARE. NAMES AND FACES. OTHERWISE, IT WILL BE THAT GROUP THAT HIDES BEHIND THE NAME "CHALDEAN POLITICAL ACTIVISTS".
YOU WROTE....Mr. Ghassan Shathaya of the Chaldean National Congress puts it as “Chaldeans and Assyrians are of the same Mesopotamian roots, however, they’re two separate communities with their own self identification character. What we have is similar to a case where an Egyptian who based on being an Arab, decides on his own to call all Iraqis “Egyptians” and then gets upset when Iraqis refuse to be identified as “Egyptians” and worse gets offended when they reject his claims that he represents them and could speak on their behalves!! This is the case of the Assyrian political groups when dealing with the Chaldeans. Something that Chaldeans will simply not tolerate.”
>>>>JOSEPH, YOU AND GHASSAN ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CANT TOLERATE IT. YOU CANNOT GAIN THE MAJORITY OF SUPPORT IN THE DETROIT CHALDEAN COMMUNITY, SO NOW YOU REACH OUT TO CARE GROUP AND YOU WANT TO BRAINWASH THE YOUNG BECAUSE THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE. BUT I TRUST THAT MR. MARTIN MANNA WHOM I HAVE SPOKEN TO AND WHOM ATOUR IS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WILL BE MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT AND WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO USE YOU AS THE NEED ARISES.
>>>>>WELL GHASSAN, I AM SURE YOU WILL COME UP WITH ALL KINDS OF NAMES FOR ME AND THOSE LIKE ME WHO WRITE AGAINST YOU AND YOUR THOUGHTS. BUT I SEE A BIGGER PICTURE HERE. I SEE YOU PUTTING THE NOOSE AROUND YOUR NECK AND NEVER EXPECTING SO MANY OF YOUR OWN PEOPLE TO PUSH THE CHAIR OUT. AND JOSEPH, YOU. I CAN ONLY SAY THAT YOU ARE NOTHING BUT DECEPTION AND A PERSON WHO DOES NOTHING BUT CREATES THE PROPAGANDA AGAINST YOUR OWN PEOPLE. EXCEPT THE MAJORITY OF OUR PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE YOU ARE THE ONE BEHIND THIS. I WONDER IF IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT YOUR BROTHER IS A BISHOP IN BAGHDAD? THE PAST CHAIRMAN OF THE CFA WAS RIGHT ABOUT YOU..HE READ YOU LIKE A BOOK.
OH AND ONE MORE THING TO BOTH OF YOU, WHEN I WAS INVOLVED IN THE CHALDEAN FEDERATION OF AMERICA, AND YOU GUYS DID EVERYTHING YOU COULD TO GET ME OUT, BECAUSE YOU COULD NOT STAND TO SEE A "CHALDEAN" WHO WASN'T AFRAID TO STATE THE TRUTH ABOUT THE ASSYRIANS, BUT IN A RECENT CONVERSATION I HAD WITH A MEMBER OF THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OF THE CFA, THEY NOW SEE THE TRUTH AND HAVE APOLOGIZED PROFUSELY FOR LISTENING TO THE BOTH OF YOU. OH, AND BY THE WAY, ATOUR GOLANI AND SAAD MAROUF WILL CONTINUE TO WORK AGAINST WHAT YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES ARE DREAMING UP, AND WILL CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER TO UNIFY OUR PEOPLE ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES.
HAVE A GREAT RIDE.....
DAUGHTER OF A HARD WORKING IRAQI BORN ASSYRIAN NATIONALIST FROM THE CHALDEAN CATHOLIC CHURCH WHOM I HAVE LEARNED EVERYTHING GOOD AND HONEST FROM , MR. AFRAM RAYIS
AND WIFE OF HARD WORKING IRANIAN BORN ASSYRIAN NATIONALIST FROM THE ASSYRIAN CHURCH OF THE EAST WHOM I HAVE CONTINUED MY LEARNING OF EVERYTHING GOOD AND HONEST FROM, MR. ATOUR GOLANI
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